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Anyone tried it, just bought a tub for cutting!
Oh dear, expensive shit, and im not convinced to its effectivness.
Oh dear, expensive shit, and im not convinced to its effectivness.
Nicely put...
Supplements are a minefield for the unwary and hopeful. Cynicism is the rule to avoid having megolomanic supplement companies thieving your hard-earned cash.
In short, I too am profoundly suspicious of anything sold by Biotest, Maximuscle and those Meta-Cell w4nkers, or anything as expensive and as hyped as any of the products being flogged by the above-named.
I've never tried the product in question and, in all fairness, you may find that the supplement offers you gains commesurate with their cost, in the same way that the gentleman creeping around your house at three in the morning wearing a balaclava and a black-and-white striped jersey may simply be lost on the way home from a fancy dress party.
You have been warned.
In short, I too am profoundly suspicious of anything sold by Biotest, Maximuscle and those Meta-Cell w4nkers, or anything as expensive and as hyped as any of the products being flogged by the above-named.
Why are you suspicious of Maximuscle? Does this include their basic protein and weightgain supplements, or their other supplements (fat loss, etc)?
I've just started using one of their weightgain supplements... Is there something I should know???
Why are you suspicious of Maximuscle? Does this include their basic protein and weightgain supplements, or their other supplements (fat loss, etc)?
I've just started using one of their weightgain supplements... Is there something I should know???
Shouldn't be anything wrong with them - They're just too expensive for what they are.
The protein supplements are whey, protein, colouring, flavouring and few added chemicals which have not proven benefit whatsoever. Weight gain supplements are the same, but with added maltodextrin.
If you want weight gainer, buy whey in bulk from somewhere like wheyconsortium.co.uk, malto from somewhere similar of dextrose from the chemist and mix it with Nesquik for flavouring. Simple, and about a quarter of the cost.
Or this guy: http://www.supplement-select.co.uk/category/asp/CtgID/1009/af/page.htm
Reflex instant mass is widely accepted as the best weight gainer on the market due to the special carb sources used, oats and barley rather than malto or crappy cheap sugars.
I paid quite a good price for mine, £30 for 120 caps, think thats 40 days supply! I have seen it for £90 odd quid in places.
Or this guy: http://www.supplement-select.co.uk/category/asp/CtgID/1009/af/page.htm
Reflex instant mass is widely accepted as the best weight gainer on the market due to the special carb sources used, oats and barley rather than malto or crappy cheap sugars.
Wow... So that's totally different from blending porridge oats and mixing them with whey then.
I paid quite a good price for mine, £30 for 120 caps, think thats 40 days supply! I have seen it for £90 odd quid in places.
Oh well... If you can get it cheap or free, may as well go for it.
Wow... So that's totally different from blending porridge oats and mixing them with whey then.
Well you don't have to clean your blender I suppose...
Well you don't have to clean your blender I suppose...
An awesome advantage we'll all agree, and definitely worth the 40 quid per tub it costs.
£31.99. And yes it is more expensive than buying oats, barley, unfavoured whey, unflavoured casein, flavouring, ZMA, lactospore biotics, etc. measauring and mixing them, then washing up at home each time you wanna use em, but that is because you don't have to do any of that extra work. Its the same as paying extra to eat in a restaurant rather than buying the ingrediants and cooking at home. Whether ou want to or not is your call. My point stands that I would suggest reflex over maximuscles pre packaged weight gainers, otherwise you are comparing oranges to apples.
BUY GROUND OATS
1. PUT IN SHAKER WITH WHEY
2. SHAKE
3. DRINK
A big box costs roughly a quid.
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£31.99. And yes it is more expensive than buying oats, barley, unfavoured whey, unflavoured casein, flavouring, ZMA, lactospore biotics, etc. measauring and mixing them, then washing up at home each time you wanna use em, but that is because you don't have to do any of that extra work. Its the same as paying extra to eat in a restaurant rather than buying the ingrediants and cooking at home. Whether ou want to or not is your call. My point stands that I would suggest reflex over maximuscles pre packaged weight gainers, otherwise you are comparing oranges to apples.
RRP £39.99.
Sure... Reflex products are less expensive and overhyped than Maximuscle, and the better choice of the two alternatives, but still not great.
You can buy oats in kilo bags for about a quid near where I live. Whey costs not a lot in bulk. Casein comes from milk, helpfully sold in bottles from a supermarket near you. Flavouring is optional, but Nesquik will do. ZMA is magnesium, zinc and B6 (or B12, I forget), all available in a decent multivit, and of questionable effectiveness in any case and god knows how 'lactospore biotics' will help put kilos on my squat.
The point is that, if you go out for a meal at a restaurant, you'll pay for the atmosphere, the service and (probably) better food than you could cook yourself. With supplements, what you mostly pay for is hype and the company's advertising budget. While they may be worthwhile for those people who are rich enough to pay way over the odds for the convenience of weight gain supplements, a lot of people simply would not buy these products if the companies that hawk them were to lose the bullshit hype from their marketing. Imagine it:
"Oats, sugar, flavouring and glorified milk powder - The Most Advanced XTreme Hardcore Anabolic Formula known to Man or Deity."
Mmmm...
To get the same amount of casein from milk would require a lot of milk. If you look at my range you will see it is generally the less BS commercial brands, well SAN has a high proce tag and some strong advertising but I find them effective products. Whether the effectivness justifies the price depends on you, not me. Some people will prefer to buy smaller tubs of diff flavours for conveniance. I guess the proof will be in whether or not im still trading in a years time or so, im not telling people what they want only offering them what I think(hope) they want.
Do levis differ significantly to ASDA jeans? Only really in price, but still some people prefer to buy one to the other. Those are the options.
the block
01-06-2005, 16:19
RRP £39.99.
You can buy oats in kilo bags for about a quid near where I live.
boy, you're getting ripped off mate. i think its 37p per kg from kwiksave and about 47p from tesco.
boy, you're getting ripped off mate. i think its 37p per kg from kwiksave and about 47p from tesco.
Damn you Iceland...
Sure... Reflex products are less expensive and overhyped than Maximuscle, and the better choice of the two alternatives, but still not great.
Basic protein, weight gain, meal replacement supplements aren't meant to be great. They serve the purpose of being convenient. If someone is at home 24 hours per day and is prepared to spend all day preparing and eating meals then there is no need for supplements - but most people aren't prepared to devote every waking minute to bodybuilding!
To get the same amount of casein from milk would require a lot of milk. If you look at my range you will see it is generally the less BS commercial brands, well SAN has a high proce tag and some strong advertising but I find them effective products. Whether the effectivness justifies the price depends on you, not me. Some people will prefer to buy smaller tubs of diff flavours for conveniance. I guess the proof will be in whether or not im still trading in a years time or so, im not telling people what they want only offering them what I think(hope) they want.
I don't doubt you'll still be trading in a years time. The kind of supplements you're selling are where the money is, in much the same way that chrome-n-fern land is where gyms are profitable: That doesn't mean they're the best means for a lot of people to achieve their training aims at a given expenditure.
I can't fault you or the supplements you sell from a free-market economics point of view, only from an efficacy vs. cost standpoint.
Basic protein, weight gain, meal replacement supplements aren't meant to be great. They serve the purpose of being convenient. If someone is at home 24 hours per day and is prepared to spend all day preparing and eating meals then there is no need for supplements - but most people aren't prepared to devote every waking minute to bodybuilding!
Fine in theory, but all the supplements in the world would have a hard time replacing real food. Back when I was less cynical about supplementation I actually (talk about laugh) tried replacing meals with 'meal replacement supplements'. I haemmoraged weight.
If used to supplement a diet (hence the term 'supplements'), you may be right, but the convenience of making up a weight gain shake is hardly greater than making up a 'blender bomb'. I've just made one up while waiting for the "Reply to Thread" page to load.
If used to supplement a diet (hence the term 'supplements'), you may be right, but the convenience of making up a weight gain shake is hardly greater than making up a 'blender bomb'. I've just made one up while waiting for the "Reply to Thread" page to load.
It is all down to preference really. Supplements are expensive, so are lots of other things. Most supplements are a waste of money, but protein + carb supplements definitely have a place in some peoples diets - especially those who find it difficult to get 3500+ calories from food.
It is all down to preference really. Supplements are expensive, so are lots of other things. Most supplements are a waste of money, but protein + carb supplements definitely have a place in some peoples diets - especially those who find it difficult to get 3500+ calories from food.
Yeah, fair enough... I use bulk whey protein as well as creatine when H&B have it on offer and I think they help some. It's just the overhyped branded stuff that gets my back up a wee bit.
Yeah, fair enough... I use bulk whey protein as well as creatine when H&B have it on offer and I think they help some. It's just the overhyped branded stuff that gets my back up a wee bit.
Most supplements are overhyped! Maximuscle and Reflex are nowhere near as bad as SAN and LA Muscle in terms of hype and rip-off prices! :035:
Maximuscle and Reflex are nowhere near as bad as SAN and LA Muscle in terms of hype and rip-off prices! :035:
If you say so mate... I've been out of the loop on supplements for a while.
the block
01-06-2005, 19:39
cough [nitro/muscle tech] cough
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