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PikeKing
17-10-2004, 17:49
.......do a power clean http://istvanjavorek.com/book/pc.htm
and now a power snatch http://istvanjavorek.com/book/ps.htm
DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!
GoldenArrow
17-10-2004, 18:18
What the....??
Never seen a 'dynamic SLDL into 1/4 front squat' before. But at least his lumbar spine wasn't rounded. Unlike the 'power snatch'. Wonder how much that guy could lift if he wasn't being coached by the Count off Sesame Street?
BengDogg
17-10-2004, 18:35
What the....??
Never seen a 'dynamic SLDL into 1/4 front squat' before. But at least his lumbar spine wasn't rounded. Unlike the 'power snatch'. Wonder how much that guy could lift if he wasn't being coached by the Count off Sesame Street?
Lmao! He was to busy counting the reps, von, too, tree ahahah i luve to count!.
now i've seen a pro doing it, it confirms my suspicions that my form on these lifts are crap
damn :022:
Those videos simultaneously amuse, appall and sadden me.
M5
BengDogg
17-10-2004, 22:06
Those videos simultaneously amuse, appall and sadden me.
M5
HAhahahahaaa! Nearly spat me scrambled egg out! :046:
.......do a power clean http://istvanjavorek.com/book/pc.htm
and now a power snatch http://istvanjavorek.com/book/ps.htm
DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!
PK have you seen Istvan Javorek's response to peoples opinion of this on the Supertraining forum..??
Stu
BengDogg
29-10-2004, 21:57
Any chance of seeing it?
PikeKing
29-10-2004, 22:25
PK have you seen Istvan Javorek's response to peoples opinion of this on the Supertraining forum..??
Stu
yeah I've seen it, not as amusing as it could of been
BengDogg
30-10-2004, 08:13
Im itching to see it cmon
Here's most of it..
One of my friends bought in my attention about circulating in Supertraining,
this issue about those videos. Thank you for your answer to Corvin Russell,
and I would answer the following:
1) Those tapes are not for teaching weightlifting technique!!! I do not
mention anywhere that!! Those athletes are high performance college athletes
in basketball - Wayne Simien - 6'10" tall and Billy Palmer - ice hockey.
They do not focus on 100 % perfect weightlifting technique, because they do
Power Clean and Power Snatch for their goals in general conditioning.!!! But
as you follow their movement they do perform a perfect start (the barbell
very close to their shin, finishing each phase of pulls, and rotating their
elbows under the bar, etc.)Anyway please do not confuse Olympic
weightlifting with All Sports Conditioning!!!
All of my Olympic weightlifters were taught perfect technique. I just
remember Joe Beauchemin - former US Junior Champion, member of US junior
World team in 1989,(if I recall well the year), and Collegiate Champion who
get my OK about his clean technique after 2 years of teaching and correcting
his old and very bad pathways. I was, and I am for teaching perfect
technique in everything, but I emphasize again as I do in my book that for
general conditioning you need to teach just the basics in order to prevent
injuries and to achieve the goals , which is in their situation :quickness
and power. Show me please another 6 foot 10 tall basketball player doing the
same quick and right clean as Wayne Simien is doing on that sequence. I can
show you photos of Olympic weightlifters and college football players from
this country with terrible clean and snatch technique!! Actually Wayne is
able to power clean over 220 lb and probably I should make a video with
heavier weights, to show how well is able to perform this exercise.
So I will add an extra text at my website to explain to everyone that these
are just demos, how athletes of different sport implement in their
conditioning those exercises
2. In my long career of coaching Olympic weightlifters I developed great
technicians back in Romania (between them Dragomir Cioroslan - former head
coach of USA Olympic Training Center) and in this country (between them
Wesley Barnett - probably the best technician of this country in
weightlifting). So, believe me, I know how to teach weightlifting technique,
and I would be more than happy to get a visit from Corwin and to show him
"in detail" all of my meticulous methods of teaching weightlifting
technique. I did not receive the highest honor in coaching Romania -
emeritus coach, just because I defected, leaving the dictatorial society
behind me, but because I developed great technicians and internationally
well known names in weightlifting.
3. Actually, I have a great video tape, which I would recommend to Corvin
to purchase and then let me know if you still consider me as a superficial,
or a con man in sport of weightlifting. Also I would recommend to him to
purchase my book, as you also recommended to him, where he would find very
detailed information about teaching methods, exercises, photos, and my
philosophy of weightlifting technique. I know, I know, that there are low
start position, etc.
When I came to US, I eye-witnessed a lot of athletes with technically very
disputable "lines" and I was one of those coaches who in the 1980-s helped
to develop the proper technical lines for the American athletes.
Ironically, probably Corvin can not believe it, if I recall well, teaching
in 1984-85 at Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs the proper form of
dead lift, the idea of Romanian dead lift was born. Which is not Romanian
and it is not mine also, but performed in all East-European countries and I
learned on my own from the Russian and Polish weightlifters.
So please visit my website and look for my book. People who purchased it,
are saying that it worth the money- getting more than 20 of 6 to 24 weeks
detailed exercise programs, for general conditioning and for weightlifting
also, plus hundreds of other information about plyometrics, warm ups,
dumbbell and barbell exercises ( I am the first person who really classifies
the dumbbell exercises)knee, shoulder, wrist and back reconditioning
programs, exercises at your desk, exercise hints for special population
athletes, sample of a 18 weeks weight training class, etc.
My website is: www.istvanjavorek.com
Thank You for your attention
Respectfully Yours
Istvan Javorek
USA College Strength & Conditioning Coaches Hall of Famer
JCCC -Professor Fitness and All Sports Conditioning Head Coach USA
Weightlifting Senior International Coach Missouri Valley Weightlifting
Coaches Hall of Famer Emeritus Coach Of Romania
Leawood, Ks 66224
ijavorek@jccc.net
USA
PikeKing
30-10-2004, 13:47
I missed this reply, he is an idiot!
Oh this athlete is not training for olympic weight lifting just for general sport conditioning, ah so in that case its find doing explosive lifting with a rounded back, what a gimp.
I did wonder which one you read pike when you said it wasn't that amusing. Gotta love his balls for that reply.
PikeKing
30-10-2004, 15:26
this is a perfect example of a coach being afraid to move away form his traditional practices, I mean ffs how useful is a power clean/snatch to a basket ball player? No more useful than a jump squats or a westside style DE box squat.
I think the oly lifts are used too much in a lot of sports, something like rugby or wrestling I can understand because you are required to express a hip generated force through the arms but a lot of other sports there is no need.
I love the oly lifts, some of my favourite exercises but I really question the value of them when there many other exercises that can produce the same results without the need for techincal coaching and without the potential injury risk.
I would of though that full squat clean would be of some use. But I agree with the rest.
PikeKing
30-10-2004, 16:13
i think the full lifts, i.e. not power variations have even less value in sport. I mean the techincal side of it, learning the lift far out weighs what you would get from it.
How do u think a full squat clean would be of more benefit than other lifts.
By other lifts I assume you mean the power variants.
The full clean [technicalities aside] IMO would be good for 2 reasons:
1. RFD
2. It is has the concentric phase of the Squat. - Surely you can see the value of that for someone having to jump high into the air.
I am not suggesting that it shoudl be the staple of the program. Just that its inclusion is not goign to be detrimental imo.
Squatting and plyos are about all a basket ball player needs gym wise.
PikeKing
30-10-2004, 16:25
By other lifts I assume you mean the power variants.
The full clean [technicalities aside] IMO would be good for 2 reasons:
1. RFD
2. It is has the concentric phase of the Squat. - Surely you can see the value of that for someone having to jump high into the air.
I am not suggesting that it shoudl be the staple of the program. Just that its inclusion is not goign to be detrimental imo.
Squatting and plyos are about all a basket ball player needs gym wise.
a jump squat would serve the same purpose
BengDogg
30-10-2004, 16:56
Imo the best way to get good at basket ball is play basket ball, Thats how i got good at biking i rode the damn thing lots
yeah but to be world class it takes more than that
PikeKing
30-10-2004, 18:06
like any sport there are basic attributes player needs to have, the kind you are born with like being 9ft tall for example!
also like any sport there are many attributes that can be trained in the gym to improve your game; power, agility being the main two
BengDogg
30-10-2004, 19:41
I see
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