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Knighty
22-11-2004, 05:32
Cheggar's has started body building:043: So what if he did?:017:

Robert
22-11-2004, 09:11
Clipper your armpits you fcuking freak.

Fred
22-11-2004, 09:20
Clipper your armpits you fcuking freak.

Doesn't suprise me that you would say that you vain bastad.

Saying that though now I'm a bodybuilder I better do it :042:

help
22-11-2004, 09:27
better get some fake tan and a pair of trtunks that make your striated glutes look good for other bodybuilders

Fred
22-11-2004, 10:57
Shoulder workout:

Seated DB Press: 19kg 6 21.5kg 4 23.5kg x 21.5kg 2
Military Press: 40kg 8 42.5kg 6 46kg 2
Shrugs: 80kg 10,10,10
Front raises: 5.5kg 8,8,8
Upright rows: 31kg 8,8,8

Deadlift/back workout:

Deadlift: 136kgx5x1 140kg 1 136kg 1 142.5kg 1
Bent Over Rows: 72.5kg 5,5 70kg 5,5
Chins: 2,1,1,2


Comments: I'm now taking less rest inbetween accessory sets (around 1 min). Because of this chins royally sucked ass, so I did a couple of extra sets.

help
22-11-2004, 11:10
quit ****ing aobut with uprite rows, front raises and seated presses you homo!

Man of Steel
22-11-2004, 11:34
So what if he did?:017:
Chegger's is a self confessed powerlifter who doesn't like bodybuilding.

Fred
22-11-2004, 13:15
Chegger's is a self confessed powerlifter who doesn't like bodybuilding.

lol true to an extent

bodybuilding routines don't work well for me, i got bugger all out of training with 8 reps and over, and plus i'd much rather lift heavy weights and be huge than lift mediocre weights and be huge :040:

good to see you are spelling my name correctly at last :048:

Robert
22-11-2004, 13:32
I am pissed off with 10 rep sets as well.

scruffy
22-11-2004, 18:03
your qualifing total is up to 370kg now and 470kg if you cant get in the under 18`s

Fred
22-11-2004, 18:29
your qualifing total is up to 370kg now and 470kg if you cant get in the under 18`s

I sent Ted Brown my stats (age, d.o.b. etc) and he said I should enter the juniors (U18's), so I hope he's not telling porkies!

I am aiming to be competing in the 100kg weight class now, as I am 90kg now and there is no way on earth I am still going to be that next June. For this weight class I need a 400kg total, which I feel is achievable giving my current rate of progress. :banana1:

In fact myself and Man of Steel are having a race to 400kg. I think I'll be doing it by early February. I really do. And fcuk anyone who says I can't :p

Fred
22-11-2004, 18:34
Tricep dips 20kg 10,9,8
CG Bench 50kg 8 58.5kg 5 61kg 5
OH tricep ext 21.5kg 8 25.5kg 6 6
Curls 30kg 8 34kg 6 36.5kg 4
DB Curls 14kg 8,8,5
Conc. Curls 11.5kg L 8,7,5 R 6,7,6


FEEL THE BURN!!!

PikeKing
22-11-2004, 20:57
Tricep dips 20kg 10,9,8
CG Bench 50kg 8 58.5kg 5 61kg 5
OH tricep ext 21.5kg 8 25.5kg 6 6
Curls 30kg 8 34kg 6 36.5kg 4
DB Curls 14kg 8,8,5
Conc. Curls 11.5kg L 8,7,5 R 6,7,6


have i missed something? didnt u used to be a powerlifter?

DMPM
23-11-2004, 03:42
Yeah, good question PK. I'm very confused ATM.

Is that the routine you paid money for?

scruffy
23-11-2004, 07:23
I sent Ted Brown my stats (age, d.o.b. etc) and he said I should enter the juniors (U18's), so I hope he's not telling porkies!

I am aiming to be competing in the 100kg weight class now, as I am 90kg now and there is no way on earth I am still going to be that next June. For this weight class I need a 400kg total, which I feel is achievable giving my current rate of progress. :banana1:

In fact myself and Man of Steel are having a race to 400kg. I think I'll be doing it by early February. I really do. And fcuk anyone who says I can't :p

so you will need to add 100kg by feb,,,best of luck, remember what you do in training is a lot easier than what you can lift in a competition, plus all your lifts are while you are still fresh...the competition will be strict and to the rules, you will find most lifts will go down 15-20kg to compensate for this..

Robert
23-11-2004, 07:55
His lifts may well go down in compeition, but he doesn't wear a belt, yet. So that will compensate for that. :)

Don't listen to them Chg. I have put about 80kg on my total this last 10 months alone. Given that you have only been training properlly a couple 'o months, I think you can get to 400kg by June.

kinkymisspinky
23-11-2004, 08:14
sure, but he has to take into account nerves, tiredness, judges etc.

Fred
23-11-2004, 09:50
My total is 346kg which means an increase of 54kg, not 100kg.

These lifts are all lower than what they would be in a gym. I know this because I did 150kg deadlift and 80kg bench months ago and it took me a while to be able to get the deadlift in my bedroom and I still haven't got that bench. I have said this before but I feel factors that will get me to this total include:
- i train on carpeted flooring
- i only have 10kg discs meaning i lift lower on deadlifts
- i dont have squat shoes yet
- no belt as robert says
- atleast 40kg extra on my total by mid january from my deadlift and bench alone

Robert
23-11-2004, 11:28
How about:

-Positive mental attitude that doesn't listen to people telling him "you can't do [...]."

Thats why I have faith in you Cheg.

DMPM
23-11-2004, 11:38
80kg bench months ago... and I still haven't got that bench. I have said this before but I feel factors that will get me to this total include:
- i train on carpeted flooring
- i only have 10kg discs meaning i lift lower on deadlifts
- i dont have squat shoes yet
- no belt as robert says
None of those should effect your bench?

Fred
23-11-2004, 12:03
I have no idea why my bench in the school gym is higher other than they have a beter more stable bench and it's less cramped.

Even so, I still lift better in a proper gym.

Fred
23-11-2004, 12:05
How about:

-Positive mental attitude that doesn't listen to people telling him "you can't do [...]."

Thats why I have faith in you Cheg.

Thanks Rob.

I do find people giving me support gives me a huge boost. I'm surrounded by people who don't support me in anything I do and it really can get me down.

Even if I don't make 400kg (which I will) I don't care, I'll still go to the meet and do my best.

BengDogg
23-11-2004, 15:10
I dpnt think Scruffy is dissing you he is being realistic, I think you will pull a bigger deadlift on the higher plates no problems but as for the bench, it could be your weights arnt that accurate maybe? My old gyms weights were much lighter than my home weights if that makes sense

BengDogg
23-11-2004, 15:12
One thing i do think you need though is to focus on the plifting and not the bbing style routines if you want to do well in your comp,

help
23-11-2004, 15:20
so quit being a homosexual

scruffy
23-11-2004, 16:31
His lifts may well go down in compeition, but he doesn't wear a belt, yet. So that will compensate for that. :)

Don't listen to them Chg. I have put about 80kg on my total this last 10 months alone. Given that you have only been training properlly a couple 'o months, I think you can get to 400kg by June.

lol that was quite funny, a belt will not compensate for that at all...your lifts werent that great anyway, bit of hard training would have got you there quicker...

scruffy
23-11-2004, 16:37
My total is 346kg which means an increase of 54kg, not 100kg.

These lifts are all lower than what they would be in a gym. I know this because I did 150kg deadlift and 80kg bench months ago and it took me a while to be able to get the deadlift in my bedroom and I still haven't got that bench. I have said this before but I feel factors that will get me to this total include:
- i train on carpeted flooring
- i only have 10kg discs meaning i lift lower on deadlifts
- i dont have squat shoes yet
- no belt as robert says
- atleast 40kg extra on my total by mid january from my deadlift and bench alone

i am not having a go at all, reality check now,, in the gym is different from in a comp, i have a 215kg+ bench in the gym but only got 190kg in comp conditions, it is a totally different ball game, the bench is different, the bars are different, the atmosphere is different.you take more time hitting depth, making sure everything is ok,,,yet you seem to forget these things....an increase of 100kg was in training to hit your target of quailifing...you only have three chances on each exercise, you go to heavy you fail, you muck up one of the three lifts you fail, so you ebb on the conservative side...

scruffy
23-11-2004, 16:39
I dpnt think Scruffy is dissing you he is being realistic, I think you will pull a bigger deadlift on the higher plates no problems but as for the bench, it could be your weights arnt that accurate maybe? My old gyms weights were much lighter than my home weights if that makes sense

a wider or narrow bench will loose your groove, thicker bars, endless things..the one exrcise it is hard to cock up on is the dead, get the other two sorted you will be ok

Robert
23-11-2004, 17:22
lol that was quite funny, a belt will not compensate for that at all...your lifts werent that great anyway, bit of hard training would have got you there quicker...
Not sure what end of the stick you got, I don't wear belts. Equipment is a cop out for fags, but thats just my opinion.

And don't give me any crap about belts not lifting weight, every time I put one on I put 10-20kg on my DL.

My point is, stop telling him what he can't get, and start helping him. It doesn't matter one iota weather his targets are the most unrealistic since Gordon Brown suggested a budget of £200m for the millenium dome in late '97. (LMFAO) What matters is he wants to achive those targets, and needs to do everything he can to get them. He should aim for the top, the very top.

IMO anyways.

scruffy
23-11-2004, 21:51
Not sure what end of the stick you got, I don't wear belts. Equipment is a cop out for fags, but thats just my opinion.

And don't give me any crap about belts not lifting weight, every time I put one on I put 10-20kg on my DL .

well you no more about fags than me so i will leave you with your opinion...

20kg on you dl is probably just a mental issue, in a raw meet belts are allowed, cant actually see how this a cop out or just common sense...i never once said he could not make it, just a check to make sure he is hitting a high enough target so he does qualify, if you ever compete in a powerlifting comp (which i doubt) then you would then know what i am talking about...and yes i do actually help cheggers off the board as well...

Robert
24-11-2004, 14:58
in a raw meet belts are allowed
Much to my disgust.

PikeKing
24-11-2004, 15:11
Thats enough guys, take it off board now, this is not where we debate who is a fag and why

Robert
24-11-2004, 15:17
Apologies.

DMPM
25-11-2004, 01:24
Much to my disgust.
You can also use wrist straps and an erector shit according to the website.

Fred
25-11-2004, 17:17
Incline bench 56kg 6 60kg 4 66kg 2
Flat bench 61kg 7,5,5 52kg 5
Flat flyes 16.5kg 8,8,8

Plate curls 10kg L 5,3,1 R 6,4,3

I'm stronger on the bench already, only two weeks ago I only did 6 reps @ 61kg and today got 7 and that was after incline bench!

I seem to be getting worse at plate curls :011:

help
25-11-2004, 18:27
your doing flyes

why?

help
25-11-2004, 22:25
iv got a challenge for ya

a 18 year old male is training with me, never trtained before

start weight 8 weeks ago: 69kg at 6`1
current weight: 76kg

current strength:
bench -5x5 with 65kg
squat - 5x5 with 80
deadlift 8x1 with 125

You must stay stronger than him

I will give you his stats in 6 weeks

Fred
26-11-2004, 09:20
OK help.

Although it is very different training with someone than it is giving advice over the internet, so he is clearly at a distinct advantage if the pirate is as great as he says he is :045:

But it sounds like a good challenge i'll give it my all.

Fred
27-11-2004, 13:38
Changed sets/reps to 7x5 on squats and also changed to box squats. Going for atleast IPF depth now instead of pissing around going parallel-ish.

Box squats: 66kg 3,3,3,4,3,4,2
GM's: 72.5kg 5,5 76kg 5,5
Situps: 20,10
Sidebends: 41.5kg 10,7

First set of box squats went atleast two inches below depth, 2nd set was atleast one inch and then all the other sets were atleast IPF depth or just below.

This was a break in session for box squats, but I noted something important... my flexibility is CRAP. The weight isn't an issue here as it is low but the fact is I was having a hard time getting as low as I need to. Hopefully it will come to me.

Finally shifting some good weight with GM's although I think the bar must have rolled forward slightly on one of the sets as I have a sore neckbone today. Will watch my form for this from now on.

Situps will keep going till I reach 2x20 and then add weight.

Looking to replace sidebends with suitcase deadlifts or something else suitable, if anyone can help me there I will appreciate it.

BengDogg
27-11-2004, 13:44
I did reply to your suitcase deads thread but i am limited in what i know about them, Scourge is probably the man to ask about them cos i remember him telling me about them

Robert
27-11-2004, 14:02
What about ab pulldowns? Deadlift antagonist and good all rounder IMO.

Man of Steel
27-11-2004, 14:37
Have you ever tried Saxon side bends or Turkish get ups for your obliques? Doing rounds of Turkish get ups is good GPP.

Fred
27-11-2004, 16:10
thx Bengdogg, did see your reply but didnt have time to answer

Rob I don't have access to any sort of machines and i guess ab-pulldowns are performed on them?

dont have a clue what saxon sidebends are or turkish get-ups so if someone could describe them for me that would be great!

Robert
27-11-2004, 16:15
TBH Cheg I stopped doing core work and haven't noticed any detriment. Some rotational core work might be of some use, but right now your just spinning your wheels I reckon.

BengDogg
27-11-2004, 17:23
I also stopped core work ages bak cos front squats, cleans, squats and deads pull my core to crap, there was a point where it was a very weak area for me but ive shown a few pics of me to people and they commented on how strong my core looks

Fred
27-11-2004, 21:10
Are you sure?

I don't mind dropping it because its bollocks, but I thought it would have been beneficial.

help
27-11-2004, 21:44
keep core work

Man of Steel
28-11-2004, 23:41
Yo Cheghound! To Saxon side bend hold a couple of DB's aloft and bend to either side
Saxon side bend (http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=282core2) . To Turkish get up just lie on the ground with a weight in your vertical locked out arm and stand up by any means without using anything other than the floor to help you up while keeping your weighted arm locked and up Turkish get up (http://www.slidetour.com/sample1/display/turkish_getup/turkish_getup.html) .

Fred
29-11-2004, 11:30
cheers, will give them both a go

scruffy
29-11-2004, 18:19
cheggers, when you compete dont forget you will need to buy a singlet to wear, otherwise you wont be allowed, also check that any other equipement is legal first, shoes, wraps, wrist straps etc...

BengDogg
29-11-2004, 19:29
Good point cos ive heard you arnt allowed just to turn up in shorts and a tshirt, you must wear the kit, i dont think the flaming beanie is essential but it helps ;)

Fred
29-11-2004, 19:49
Thanks scruffy, was wondering about that actually.


Update time! I've done a couple of workouts since I last updated and it has gone well with increases in both weight and reps! I got my gym best bench press of 80kg in my bedroom!

BUT I can't handle training five days a week anymore, it's doing me in. I'm cutting back to 3 days a week and condensing shoulders/triceps/chest back together again.

Here's how the routine looks:

squat 7x5
gms 4x5
situps 3x6
suitcase deadlifts 4x1 each side


bench 5x5
cg bench 4x5
military press 3x5
cuban rotations 2x20


deadlift 8x1
bent over rows 4x5
chins 2x5
straight bar curls 3x8

GoldenArrow
29-11-2004, 21:44
www.sports-shoes.net :)

Fred
29-11-2004, 21:50
Cheers mate, but the woman has got me a pair of chuck taylors for xmas i think/hope :D

scruffy
29-11-2004, 22:12
no advertising either, trainers are allowed as long as they ahave a flat sole...

GoldenArrow
30-11-2004, 06:13
Let me be more specific.... http://www.sports-shoes.net/section.asp?sectionid=332&catalogue=8

Fred
30-11-2004, 09:50
Oh right, lol. Thanks!

Which one do you think I should go with?

Man of Steel
30-11-2004, 11:11
Oh right, lol. Thanks!

Which one do you think I should go with?
I fancy the Jamaican looking gold and green singlet but they've all got Addidas logos on them.

help
30-11-2004, 11:50
bp sports do them for cheap

Fred
30-11-2004, 15:36
deadlift 140kg x2x1

rows 66kg 4x5

chins 2x2

Not very good. Deadlifts were extremely hard, couldn't get third one off the floor so left it at that.

I'm taking a few days off training, I haven't had any time off for several months now.

scruffy
30-11-2004, 19:54
Oh right, lol. Thanks!

Which one do you think I should go with?

you can have the shirt name on it but no sponsership or other writing

BengDogg
30-11-2004, 19:56
No wonder sports like pl are so unpopular in the mainstream when they have so much red tape surrounding it! Crazy really.

scruffy
30-11-2004, 20:02
No wonder sports like pl are so unpopular in the mainstream when they have so much red tape surrounding it! Crazy really.

yes mate gets even worse if they have tv or reporters there, some meets you have to wear your singlet inside out so it is plain..

BengDogg
30-11-2004, 20:08
Crazy! In some ways it is good it stays underground and hardcore, but if i get some really good numbers and was in a position to compete the fact i have to go out and buy stuff to wear rather than just going in some shorts and a tshirt does make it an exspensive day. Ah well i suppose it s like anything.

GoldenArrow
30-11-2004, 20:12
You've already got the lycra! ;)

..and you can always tape over a name (a la Reza at the olympics...)

Man of Steel
02-12-2004, 21:54
I think this one would really suit you Chegger's: The "I'm Bubba, get ready to bend over" singlet (http://www.leotardworld.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2394) .

Fred
03-12-2004, 11:53
I'm good thanks :)

shK
03-12-2004, 21:00
Heya cheg mate, some goog going their chief.

This comp, can you be 18? or do you have to be 17 and under??

I've recently started Bodybuilding, and after reading your journal reckon i could probably qualifiy for this comp at a lower bodyweight with some training. Of course i wont know what kinda wegihts i shud be shifting because at the mo im riding beginners gains. Im 77kg BW, doing Bench 55kg 3x6, Deadlift 90kg 3x5, and havent got into leg routine properly yet.

By xmas i should be repping 65 on bench, 105 on deadlift, and 80 on squat (new to it). By next June if thats when the comp is i think i should be significatly stronger and under 90k.

You think its worth a try?? I'll have a proper think about it after xmas, and see how my lifts are coming on.


Sorry to hijack, your doing a good job mate, keep it up you wil hit that 400k total.

Man of Steel
03-12-2004, 22:13
I don't know what the qualifying totals are but I reckon you'd be able to qualify by then. If you're serious about it then you should start a powerlifting routine or at least a powerlifting/bodybuilding routine where you go heavy on the main lifts. Post up you're routine and lifting background and we'll try and help you out.

shK
04-12-2004, 00:23
I've been working out since nov 1st

routine
Monday

Flat Bench 3x6-8
Inc DB press 3x6-8
Tricep Dips 3x6-8
Skullcrushers 3x6-8

Wednesday

Squats 3x6-8
GoodMornings 3x6-8
Calf Raises Supersets

Friday

Deadlifts 3x5
Chinups 3x6-8
Military Press 3x6-8
Barbell Curl 3x6-8
Alt DB Curl 3x6

What you reckon?? I dont wanna drift too far away from bb'ing :)

DMPM
04-12-2004, 02:33
As a minimum, drop the reps for bench, squat and deadlifts.

Work up to a 3RM for the squat and bench. Have plenty of sets of triples at a high weight though.

Probably do something like 6x1 for the deadlifts.

I would swap Monday and Wednesday.

I would add some more appropriate tricep work such as close-grip bench or lockouts.

help
04-12-2004, 10:37
i wouldnt bother with any maxes if your a beginner. It just encourages ego and weeks of going for fruitless maxes

something like:

day 1:
deadlift 8x1
bent over rows 5x5
chins 3x5

day 2:
bench 5x5
dips or close grip bench 3x5
military press 3x5

day 3:
squat 7x5
SLDL 3x5
or GMs(if you have a powerlifter to personally show you how to do them properly)
sit ups 4x6

Robert
04-12-2004, 10:39
(if you have a powerlifter to personally show you how to do them properly)
LMFAO.

Fred
04-12-2004, 11:51
shK i think you've got good potential, I was only marginally stronger than you when I came off my BB routine a few months ago

Go with helps routine it's supposed to be good for mass aswell as strength, which is an aim of mine too

shK
04-12-2004, 14:18
I'll probably start that routine in the new year, from Jan

I've only just setteled into my routine atm, and wanna give it a bit longer.


*edit*

just a couple of quessies about the routine. Should i really be doing that many sets of squats?? and are the situps necessary, coz i can do more than 4x6 (flat situps right?)

Robert
04-12-2004, 14:28
Yes it is nessecary to do that many squats and no do not do more than that for sit-ups. Do them on a decline board if you have one, and then add weight.

Fred
04-12-2004, 15:00
Todays session:

Squat: 66kg 5 70kg 5 76g 5,4 70kg 5,5,8

GM's: none

SLDL's: 86kg 5

Situps: 5kg 6,6,6

Suitcase deadlifts: 60kg 4x1 each side

Still trying to find a working weight for squats. Last set was more of a breathing set. All reps were to atleast IPF depth. I think I'll go for 76kg for all sets next week no matter how many reps I get towards the end.

GM's: My lower back felt drained as hell, I just couldn't do them, not even 20kg under my normal working weight :( Had a go at SLDL's but the same thing really.

Situps and suitcases were good.

Fred
04-12-2004, 15:02
Oh and to answer your question about the age, If you are 18 it should be fine as I am 18 too, but you should email the secretary of your division with your date of birth just to make sure.

Man of Steel
04-12-2004, 19:49
Post up a training log shK and we'll keep you right.

shK
04-12-2004, 21:37
Thanks for the help guys, i currently have a progress journal up at musclezone, when i start the pl routine in jan, ill put one in here.

Sorry for the hijack of your log cheggers! gl

Fred
06-12-2004, 13:37
Bench 5x5 70kg 5,5,4,4,4
CG Bench 4x5 61kg 3 56kg 5,5,3
Military Press 40kg 3 36kg 4 30kg 5
Cubans 5kg 15,15

Good sesh!

A bit over ambitious on the cg bench and mili press, but that's because I'm used to working them all on different days.

scruffy
06-12-2004, 16:26
Bench 5x5 70kg 5,5,4,4,4
CG Bench 4x5 61kg 3 56kg 5,5,3
Military Press 40kg 3 36kg 4 30kg 5
Cubans 5kg 15,15

Good sesh!

A bit over ambitious on the cg bench and mili press, but that's because I'm used to working them all on different days.

i would personally drop the cg bench and swap for dumbell extension rollovers to teach the tri`s to accelerate with speed, also maybe change the militry press to incline or better still decline press, this way you will hit the delts in a better plane of motion which you are using in the comp...

help
06-12-2004, 16:44
rolling DB extensions: why work on acceleration/speed when he can get plenty of gains just from improved motor neuron firing rate and coordination from basic pressing.

decline would use supra maximal bench weights and his CNS doesnt need that just now as he hasnt built enough of a base yet. Maybe in future they would be useful.

trying to train everything on the same plane of motion isnt always best

scruffy
06-12-2004, 21:21
rolling DB extensions: why work on acceleration/speed when he can get plenty of gains just from improved motor neuron firing rate and coordination from basic pressing.

decline would use supra maximal bench weights and his CNS doesnt need that just now as he hasnt built enough of a base yet. Maybe in future they would be useful.

trying to train everything on the same plane of motion isnt always best

coordintaion from close grip will not be that benificial to him in regular bench, different grooves, different muscles...he should be getting enough tricep work from the benches, adding rolling extensions (not taken to faliure) will teach acceleration and also give him a different choice of exercise, decline bench will build the delts better for his bench than militry press will, again he does not need to go to faliure, his cns is no where near being taxed to its limits, if he leaves things to late then come comp time he will be lacking in both recruiting maximal muscle fibres, and an undertrained cns...but this is one opinion against another...

help
06-12-2004, 21:34
i know what you mean but he doesnt need to work speed strength or strength speed yet, his absolute strength is whats limiting him

his groove will be taught by plenty of bench reps, and closer to meet time an increase in normal bench ipf style. Decline grip is far more different than close grip bench. It gives no leg drive!

M press trains the delts through a greater ROM than decline bench so it will be better for him so he can build a base to work with later

his normal near limit benching will be taxed enough with 5x5 so fibre recruitment will be taken care of

this sorta routine will certainly not undertrain his CNS. There is plenty of stimulation. Training the movements through a full ROM as a beginner builds strength in the weakest parts of the movement as well as the strongest

I think it is best for his to train a base for his long term powerlifting carear rather than jump right in with maximal weights which would be limited by his current base

he needs to advance with a good balance of strtuctural + neurological gains, leaning to the side of structural, as neurological gains will come quicker in the future in the run up to meets

shK
08-12-2004, 15:55
Is the comp equipped or raw?

Fred
08-12-2004, 16:03
I think the comps are equipped but I don't think Juniors (under 18's) are allowed to wear shirts, suits etc.

So effectively no the under 18's is raw.

Again, you should check though if you decide to go ahead with it.

But i'll be doing it raw either way... probably just a belt and some chalk. I don't have the time or money to start using all that fancy equipment just yet, also don't think it would do me much good at my level.

scruffy
08-12-2004, 16:23
I think the comps are equipped but I don't think Juniors (under 18's) are allowed to wear shirts, suits etc.

So effectively no the under 18's is raw.

Again, you should check though if you decide to go ahead with it.

But i'll be doing it raw either way... probably just a belt and some chalk. I don't have the time or money to start using all that fancy equipment just yet, also don't think it would do me much good at my level.

shirts and suits will add poundages at any level...

help
08-12-2004, 16:28
yeah but he wouldnt get anything to touch in a shirt and wouldnt get to parallel in a squat suit

stay raw and build your base

scruffy
08-12-2004, 17:50
yeah but he wouldnt get anything to touch in a shirt and wouldnt get to parallel in a squat suit

stay raw and build your base

depends on the shirt and suit, depends if everyone is raw or not, if in an equipped comp and your the only raw person that puts you at a dissadvantage, no matter what, even if you wore wraps it makles a difference, that difference could be between first and second... i got a training bench shirt which i can touch the chest with a struggle with 40kg each side, but it still gives me an extra 20kg+ over my raw, maybe not a lot but the total still gets higher..i have seen many people fail by entering raw, thinking that they are cheating if they suit up, if its an equipped comp how can it be cheating, you are on a level field....if you dont agree with equipment dont enter,,anyway yes i believe shirts and suits, wraps ,belts will help anyone, does not mean you have train all the time in them...

BengDogg
08-12-2004, 17:56
Imo do it raw for your honour Cheggers :) I am not dissing equipment for tose who use it but i personally think raw is the most impressive way to lift

help
08-12-2004, 19:04
belt + wrist wraps + knee wraps would bew fine

use the knee wraps for say 4-6 squatting sessions before the meet only at your last few lifts

wouldnt be worth the money getting a shirt just now and suit IMO

build a solid base first

your choice cheggers

Fred
08-12-2004, 19:31
RAW

shove the wraps up your arse help

Fred
08-12-2004, 19:33
P.S.

I'm not dissing equipment either, and I am not expecting to win my first competition. I will lift raw (maybe with a belt) because that's how I want to at the moment.

Fred
08-12-2004, 19:44
On another note my shoulder is giving me hassle since deadlifting a new PB yesterday (161kg ;) ) and so I am having to stop training for a bit longer... maybe a week.

Training was going so well too, with the extra food i'm eating and the extra rest my gains have been accelerating! I know I am capable of the following RIGHT NOW if it wasn't for this shoulder: 90 bench, 165 deadlift 100 squat (below IPF depth). Hopefully this time off won't have too much of an impact and i'll be on target for that 100kg bench by the end of Jan.

Man of Steel
08-12-2004, 20:00
It's good to take a week off every wee while but don't cut your diet by too much. I've lost a few pounds in the last couple of weeks when I was not training by eating like a pussy.

Fred
08-12-2004, 20:05
It's good to take a week off every wee while but don't cut your diet by too much. I've lost a few pounds in the last couple of weeks when I was not training by eating like a pussy.

LOL what do you think I am?

I'm eating more than ever! If I can't get huge with muscle I'll get huge with tits and a saggy arse :D

Fred
08-12-2004, 20:08
Hmmm... I've been a bit hyper the last few hours.

Maybe drinking 1litre of red bull wasn't such a good idea.

BengDogg
08-12-2004, 20:15
i coulda told you that ;) MAybe if your shoulders bad stil ltain legs and abs somehow?

Fred
08-12-2004, 20:16
i coulda told you that ;) MAybe if your shoulders bad stil ltain legs and abs somehow?

help shouted at me when I suggested that :(

Man of Steel
08-12-2004, 20:19
Hmmm... I've been a bit hyper the last few hours.

Maybe drinking 1litre of red bull wasn't such a good idea.
You should do that before you max out. It'll be like eating a bag of Dbol :D .

BengDogg
08-12-2004, 20:20
help shouted at me when I suggested that :(
Hmm i see, the reason i said it was i saw in the latest iron mind catalogue tha t one of the wsm competitors (carlson or samueson cant remember) used a squatting belt when he tore his bicep to keep his leg strength up and drove it to new levels.

shK
08-12-2004, 20:20
If you went to a hopping competition, and they said you can use both legs (basically running) would you run or hop??

I know i would run...

Fred
08-12-2004, 20:23
shK that's just slightly different....

and to answer your question I would hop, because I am a stubborn git ;)

scruffy
08-12-2004, 21:11
P.S.

I'm not dissing equipment either, and I am not expecting to win my first competition. I will lift raw (maybe with a belt) because that's how I want to at the moment.


that is the wrong attitude to go into any comp, you should always aim to win...

scruffy
08-12-2004, 21:20
most bwla unequipped dont allow knee wraps...only a belt and wrist wraps

Fred
08-12-2004, 21:21
What when they are totalling 550kg+ and I am getting told I won't total 400kg in time? How can I hope to win?


This is a competiton for experience and I will aim to surpass myself and not others.

scruffy
08-12-2004, 22:11
What when they are totalling 550kg+ and I am getting told I won't total 400kg in time? How can I hope to win?


This is a competiton for experience and I will aim to surpass myself and not others.

who said the people who are entering are totalling 550+kg, how do you know that they will not all be first timers like yourself...

Fred
08-12-2004, 22:13
Because I have looked at results from the last few years :(

There's no way I am going to place if I reach the finals, unless I come up with some big numbers.

shK
08-12-2004, 22:19
Think positive man.

Im a weak git, but im gonna blow everyone away when its my turn. It might not be the best, but i'll surpise some people :D

scruffy
09-12-2004, 16:30
Think positive man.

Im a weak git, but im gonna blow everyone away when its my turn. It might not be the best, but i'll surpise some people :D

you will find you will make far more progress....