Odd object routine... [Archive]

Robert

16-10-2004, 11:55

As some of you may know, i have recently purchased both Dino Training and Vol II of the Brook Kubik video collection (Sandbags, barrels and beyond). I was inspired by this and during the month of December i want to eliminate barbell/dumbell from my routine completely, sort of an experiment, and also to learn some more about myself.

I want to get the routine outlined now because ATM i have little in the way of implements to use:

2xDB's that can hold up to 80kg each, but only 100kg of plates cos this will be done at home (carry, throw, snatch).
1xJerryCan (throw, carry).
3xAssorted sized logs (clean and press,snatch, throw, drag, load).
1xWheelbarrow (loading and pushing).
1xCar (for pushing/pulling).
1xThick bar (hopefully wont have to use - might OHS with it).
1xLarge garden (Jurassic park - dinosaurs, get it?).

Wish list, not intending to get everything, but as much as poss:

2xSandbag - 50lber and a 150lber (everything). [£30]
1xBarrel/keg (shouldering, throwing, loading, clean and press). [5finger discount]
3xRocks - small/med/atlas (see barrels). [free]
1xLoading platform. [hmmm. free?]
Some more chain (to make things heavier/attach plates). [£20]
2xRailway sleepers (farmers walk etc). [£20-40??]
As many different sized tyres as possible. (see barrels) [£no idea -free?]
Some thick rope. (for pulling/attaching more weight)

Anyways, i want to get the routine outlined so i know what i need to get.

I am thinking 3-4 Days. 1-2 exercises/day. First exercise: Heavy singles. Sencond exercise: Reps. What do you guys reckon?

Robert

16-10-2004, 12:05

1.
Rock/Barrel/Sandbag Clean and Press - 5-10x1.
Farmers walk - 2x1 (length of front garden - about 50-60m).

2.
Rock/Barrel/Sandbag Clean+Throw - 5-10x1.
Sandbag BearHug and Walk - 2x1 (length of front garden - about 50-60m).

3.
Thick Bar/Log Overhead Squat - 1x10.
1armSandbagSnatch - 1x20 on each arm.

4.
Assualt course (3-5 exercises) - 5 runs.
Whatever.

Mike

16-10-2004, 15:19

Dont like it.
How about:

Day1
Squat
Bench
Assistance

Day2
Odd object sh1t:
OHP
Clean and jerk
Farmers walk

Although experiments can be beneficial, you shouldnt neglect the basics.
Edit - the assault course sounds gay...

Robert

16-10-2004, 17:35

Dont like it.
Why?

Day1
Squat
Bench
Assistance
Nothing wrong there.

Day2
Odd object sh1t:
OHP
Clean and jerk
Farmers walk
Er....
1. Clean and jerk should be 1st as its the most dynamic and technical.
2. Whats the point of OHP and Jerk?
3. What is the pont of clean and jerk and ohp at all when they are all used during an odd object lift.
4. Odd Object stuff is so physically draining there is no way you could do all that imo, not unless it was all singles and low volume. - Which you said in the other thread you don't like.
5. Brooks reccomends devoting an entire day to Odd Object lifting at very least, he specifically advised against mixing themin the same session.

Although experiments can be beneficial, you shouldnt neglect the basics.
Eh? The whole point of this experiment is to see what effect Odd Object lifting has on my body, in terms of size and strength. How can you do that with other stuff incorperated? Besides, not using a BB for 28 days is not going to do anything severly detrimental to my gains imo.

Edit - the assault course sounds gay
True, i hadn't considerd that. Even so, Brooks maintains that it is a great way to build strength-endurance and GPP. I can see that logic and intend to use it.

Mike

16-10-2004, 23:12

Why?

Nothing wrong there.

Er....
1. Clean and jerk should be 1st as its the most dynamic and technical.
2. Whats the point of OHP and Jerk?
3. What is the pont of clean and jerk and ohp at all when they are all used during an odd object lift.
4. Odd Object stuff is so physically draining there is no way you could do all that imo, not unless it was all singles and low volume. - Which you said in the other thread you don't like.
5. Brooks reccomends devoting an entire day to Odd Object lifting at very least, he specifically advised against mixing themin the same session.

Eh? The whole point of this experiment is to see what effect Odd Object lifting has on my body, in terms of size and strength. How can you do that with other stuff incorperated? Besides, not using a BB for 28 days is not going to do anything severly detrimental to my gains imo.

True, i hadn't considerd that. Even so, Brooks maintains that it is a great way to build strength-endurance and GPP. I can see that logic and intend to use it.

1. Doesnt have to be 1st, but should be (I did this quick)
2. Huh? Jerk uses momentum, ohp doesnt.
3. No, you do the ohp and C & J with odd objects eg sand bags.
4. I explained in 3.
5. Yes, so do I.

I believe you should continue with bb's/db's, I wouldnt risk losing strength, but that's just me.

The gay course, I mean assault course is what exactly? Super sets of various exercises?

Robert

16-10-2004, 23:22

1. Doesnt have to be 1st, but should be (I did this quick)
2. Huh? Jerk uses momentum, ohp doesnt.
3. No, you do the ohp and C & J with odd objects eg sand bags.
4. I explained in 3.
5. Yes, so do I.

I believe you should continue with bb's/db's, I wouldnt risk losing strength, but that's just me.

The gay course, I mean assault course is what exactly? Super sets of various exercises?
Come on Mike. You know me, i ain't gonna listen to that "wouldn't risk it."

If worst comes to worst and i lose 10% on all my lifts, what have i really lost? Nothing. (no smart arse comments). I have gained experince, and no doubt will have a grip of Iron. Muscle memory should take care of any lossses.

I want to try this, and i am going to. I just want the routine worked out. Can you help me build a routine that doesn't involve DB/BB training? Just imagine io am some lumberjack hippie that lives in the middle o nowhere and doesn't have access to a gym or BB/DB's. :)

Mike

17-10-2004, 00:03

Come on Mike. You know me, i ain't gonna listen to that "wouldn't risk it."

If worst comes to worst and i lose 10% on all my lifts, what have i really lost? Nothing. (no smart arse comments). I have gained experince, and no doubt will have a grip of Iron. Muscle memory should take care of any lossses.

I want to try this, and i am going to. I just want the routine worked out. Can you help me build a routine that doesn't involve DB/BB training? Just imagine io am some lumberjack hippie that lives in the middle o nowhere and doesn't have access to a gym or BB/DB's. :)

You dont listen to "wouldnt risk it", maybe thats a problem.

Muscle memory takes time to work, time which is wasted on using poundages you easily handled a month ago. I want to run 100m in 11 secs. I'm not prepared to set my strength training back to achieve this. You are doing the opposite. I have commented on your drastic routine changing before, I stand by it here. You seem too eager and dont care enough about squat/dead/bench. This is a problem, I'm sorry to have to go over old ground.

I cant honestly help you with a routine as I have little experience with this. We can make educated guesses but that isnt good enough. I remembera a routine in dino training, but cant remember if Brooks was using it to take the piss out of pumpers by making it extra hard.

I'll help if I can.

PikeKing

17-10-2004, 08:43

1. Robert you are an odd object

2. Go and ask a few pubs for kegs, I asked one and they had 15 that they couldnt get rid of. Gave me 2 for nothing, if I want more I just have to ask.

Robert

17-10-2004, 10:20

1. Robert you are an odd object

2. Go and ask a few pubs for kegs, I asked one and they had 15 that they couldnt get rid of. Gave me 2 for nothing, if I want more I just have to ask.
He he. Cheers mate. Will do today.

BengDogg

17-10-2004, 10:46

Some interesting idea flying around this thread, I think you will come up with something good soon, Personally i would do i day normal lift, i day odd object and keep it alternating, but as you said you want to experiment

Black Knight

17-10-2004, 12:41

Ask yourself one question; what am I trying to achieve? Never lose sight of this and do everything you can to achieve it. If Odd Objects/thick bars or any other approach is really the right way to go, fine just do it.
Its taken me a long time to realise that my goals are simply to increase the big 3 power lifts-so thats what Im going to do and this time I wont be distracted by anything else.

Mike

17-10-2004, 14:23

You dont listen to "wouldnt risk it", maybe thats a problem.

Muscle memory takes time to work, time which is wasted on using poundages you easily handled a month ago. I want to run 100m in 11 secs. I'm not prepared to set my strength training back to achieve this. You are doing the opposite. I have commented on your drastic routine changing before, I stand by it here. You seem too eager and dont care enough about squat/dead/bench. This is a problem, I'm sorry to have to go over old ground.

I cant honestly help you with a routine as I have little experience with this. We can make educated guesses but that isnt good enough. I remembera a routine in dino training, but cant remember if Brooks was using it to take the piss out of pumpers by making it extra hard.

I'll help if I can.

FAO Rob. PM/email me if you want.

PikeKing

17-10-2004, 17:36

He he. Cheers mate. Will do today.
My kegs are beautiful, cant wait to use them!

Robert

18-10-2004, 11:18

Muscle memory takes time to work, time which is wasted on using poundages you easily handled a month ago. I want to run 100m in 11 secs. I'm not prepared to set my strength training back to achieve this. You are doing the opposite. I have commented on your drastic routine changing before, I stand by it here. You seem too eager and dont care enough about squat/dead/bench. This is a problem, I'm sorry to have to go over old ground.

Ask yourself one question; what am I trying to achieve?
To be very very strong. How i get there is not important. Having a 400/500/600+ is not what i call strong. Having a 300/400/500 and having a vice like grip and the ablilty to hoist a 300lb atlas stone onto a 4ft platfrom and being able to throw a 200lb barrel 10-12ft and being able to C+J and SN at total of 350lb+......

Thats what i call strong. Powerlifters DO NOT have a monopoly on strength. Focusing on the 3 powerlifts is not going to help me achhive my goals in the long run. It may take me as far as a 300/400/500, but thats (as you have just read) not even close to what i want. 1 months experimenting is not going to set me back 12months, its not going to detract form my experince, its not going to do anything except take me 1 step closer to better understanding my body and how it adapts. THAT is what is going to make me strong.

If i posted on here and said: "Guys, i'm off tothailand for 4 weeks but i am worried about losing my strength."
You'd all be like "Dude, you'll be fine, ya ain't gonna lose that much strength in 4 weeks, just go and enjoy yourself."

So how is lifting difficult objects overhead etc going to be detrimental? The real answer is, it isn't.

Mike

18-10-2004, 11:51

How you get there is not important? LMAO!

It is exceptionally important! Would you rather have a 500lb squat in 2 years of training or 10 years? It's a no brainer. I assume you want the best possible results in minimum time? So why are you going to set yourself back? How will lifting objects overhead increase your PLifts more then actually doing them? Sure you will have better core stability blah blah... but that isnt good enough.

Brooks uses odd object lifts to supplement his overall training, why dont you?
My ideal odd object routine would be 2 days in the gym (barbells etc) and one odd object day. Why are you so addement in having a whole cycle of odd objects?

Robert

18-10-2004, 12:04

Would you rather have a 500lb squat in 2 years of training or 10 years?
2.

I assume you want the best possible results in minimum time?
Results? By that i mean ALL of those things listed above, by results all you mean is a 500lb squat. As i have just pointed out. A 500lb squat on its own means sh1t all in my book. If you are happy with a 400/500/600 being the limit of your strength, then fine. But don't expect me to conform to this "PL or bust" nonsense. If in 10 years i have all of those things above, i will be a happy man. If in 10 years all i had to show for my labour was a 600lb squat, i'd be pretty disapointed with myself.

So why are you going to set yourself back? How will lifting objects overhead increase your PLifts more then actually doing them? Sure you will have better core stability blah blah... but that isnt good enough.
Why do i need to increase my Plifts? Why does doing odd object lifting have to have any carryover at all? Who has tried to make a link between OOLing and PLing; you mate. Not me. I haven't said once i am going to use OOLing as a means to an end. OOLing is the end.

Brooks uses odd object lifts to supplement his overall training, why dont you?
My ideal odd object routine would be 2 days in the gym (barbells etc) and one odd object day. Why are you so addement in having a whole cycle of odd objects?
Yeah, i can see that. But how am i going to know what works the best and what doesn't for my specific goals without trying everything. 1 month spent experimenting for a lifetimes worth of knowing how my body responds to certain demands is not a just a price worth paying, its a fcuking bargin.

Mike

18-10-2004, 12:16

2.

Results? By that i mean ALL of those things listed above, by results all you mean is a 500lb squat. As i have just pointed out. A 500lb squat on its own means sh1t all in my book. If you are happy with a 400/500/600 being the limit of your strength, then fine. But don't expect me to conform to this "PL or bust" nonsense. If in 10 years i have all of those things above, i will be a happy man. If in 10 years all i had to show for my labour was a 600lb squat, i'd be pretty disapointed with myself..

Why cant you do it all now? Combine the elements that appeal to you, Brooks does it. He doesnt waste months doing just one specific thing. You want overall strength, so train for overall strength. You contradict yourself in saying you want strength in many area's yet you want to use soley odd objects.

Why do i need to increase my Plifts? Why does doing odd object lifting have to have any carryover at all? Who has tried to make a link between OOLing and PLing; you mate. Not me. I haven't said once i am going to use OOLing as a means to an end. OOLing is the end..

Err,

So how is lifting difficult objects overhead etc going to be detrimental? The real answer is, it isn't.

Detrimental to the powerlift's. You set up the connection I linked it.

Yeah, i can see that. But how am i going to know what works the best and what doesn't for my specific goals without trying everything. 1 month spent experimenting for a lifetimes worth of knowing how my body responds to certain demands is not a just a price worth paying, its a fcuking bargin.

Again, you are assuming it will pay off. You can still experiment while keeping regular training.

help

18-10-2004, 13:41

i think that someone that squats 600lbs and starts doing a lot of serious odd object stuff will end up better then someone that starts odd objects when they can squat 300 in the long run

do it for a month, keep the core lifts in (reduced volume/intensity/tonnage/whatever of course) and it should be fun

Robert

18-10-2004, 14:02

Mike

18-10-2004, 14:13

Mike, i don't agree with most of what you have siad, but we could keep quoting one another for days. I like Helps idea.

1.
Squat - low reps
Deadlift - low reps
Bench - low reps
Grip

2.
Odd Object Clean and Press - low reps
Farmers Walk - 2x1

3.
Odd Oject Load/Throw - low reps
Odd Obejct Snatch - high reps

4.
Whatever
Grip

LMAO! You dont agree? Who suggested a gym and odd object routine in the first place? Did you read my last post? Did you read my first post? Cut day 4 out, do grip on other days. Odd objects use much grip anyway.

Robert

18-10-2004, 14:20

LMAO! You dont agree? Who suggested a gym and odd object routine in the first place? Did you read my last post? Did you read my first post? Cut day 4 out, do grip on other days. Odd objects use much grip anyway.

Ya ya. You said 2 gym days and 1 Odd Object. Anyways... i am ramping up the volume of my grip training ATM so i am ready for the beating its going to get when this routine happens. Maybe your right about Day 4 though.