Nail bending.

[Robert]

Its not a sport, but I am good at it and want to get better.

Having not bent a nail in about 6 months, I feel its time to get back into it. Tried a 6"x6mm shiny bright nail today and barely kinked it.

So went straight to B&Q and ghot loads of 6+8mm steel and some coach bolts.

I want a program complete with assistance exercises that is going to take me back to bending a 5"-6" nail and beyond.

Over the last day or so I have doen 4-5 singles with some random shit/off cuts I found in my nail box. Mostly 200x6mm, and some 180x6mm.

Assistance is also an issue. I know what I think is the best assistance for nail bending, but I want some unbias ideas form others first.

So people, programs please...

(hint, I am thinking synaptic facillitation)

[Jon]

Just tried a 6" nail myself,. Hadn't bent for about 6 months aswell, but it was supprisingly easy. I keep mine inside, in the boiler cupboard, so I'm guessing that the warmer they are, the easier they are to bend.

Knowing that you post on FI, I would follow Pecz's routine. He managed to bend a red nail in about 2 months. His method, if I remember correctly, was high frequency, but not to failure.

[Robert]

Thanks, Jon. Excelent post.

[Robert]

All bars 6mm thick. All lengths in mm. M/W/F/S.


Week 1.
1. 4x1x190
2. 4x1x190
3. 4x1x190
....
7. 2x1x180

Week 2.
1. 4x1x180
...
7. 2x1x170

Ad infinitum.

When I say 4x1 I mean morning/midday/afternoon/night. 1x1. Any takers?

[Jon]

Thanks, Jon. Excelent post.

yeah, yeah, very funny. :019:

Anyway, have you read this.

http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/gregdavebend2.pdf

very interesting especially the bit about bending with explosive power, they really seem to push this theory, not a slow powerful bend, but dynamic force.

[Jon]

All bars 6mm thick. All lengths in mm. M/W/F/S.


Week 1.
1. 4x1x190
2. 4x1x190
3. 4x1x190
....
7. 2x1x180

Week 2.
1. 4x1x180
...
7. 2x1x170

Ad infinitum.

When I say 4x1 I mean morning/midday/afternoon/night. 1x1. Any takers?

Not saying it wouldn't work, but I would up the volume to 10-15 bends per session, although this could turn out to be quite expensive.

[Robert]

yeah, yeah, very funny. :019:

Anyway, have you read this.

http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/gregdavebend2.pdf

very interesting especially the bit about bending with explosive power, they really seem to push this theory, not a slow powerful bend, but dynamic force.
Er.. I wasn't being sarcastic. Don't put yourself down.

Anyways, I too advocate explosive bending. I have done it for some time. Do you start the bend double overhand, or double underhand?

[Robert]

Not saying it wouldn't work, but I would up the volume to 10-15 bends per session, although this could turn out to be quite expensive.
Exactly. 4x200m is less than 1m. and its comes in 1m rods. Each 1m rod is about £1.50.

[Jon]

Er.. I wasn't being sarcastic. Don't put yourself down.

Sorry, i'm not used to the new gentle Robert, I much prefer the old Robert de Tourettes, at least you know where you stand with him. :003:


Anyways, I too advocate explosive bending. I have done it for some time. Do you start the bend double overhand, or double underhand?

double overhand, or folding as it sometimes known as.

[Robert]

Note to self: Be and ass hole to Jon, he likes it.

I start the bend double underhand and finish it double overhand.

[Robert]

Revised it: Todays bend: (mm x reps, all 6mm diameter)

200x1 190x1 180x1 170x1 160x1 150xKink of 10-20 degrees.

This will be the pattern from now on. Mon-Fri. Though I will not attempt 150 (6") again until I can 'U' 160 in less than 5 seconds.

Cold rolled stell is harder than a shiny bright 6" nail, and so by the time I can bend a 150x1 in under 5 seconds a nail should be a joke.

Week 1.
190x4

Week 2.
180x4

Week 3.
170x4

Week 4.
160x4

Week 5.
150x4

Week 6.
6" nail.

Thats the plan.

Also, I am going to buy the IM 'bag o' nails' and make the red nail a longer term goal, about 6-12 months or so. As by the time I have bent the 6" shiny bright, I will be back in full trainig and the deadlift 100x1x100 will take priority.

EDITED: Better plan.

[DMPM]

Cold rolled stell is harder than a shiny bright 6" nail, and so by the time I can bend a 150x1 in under 5 seconds a nail should be a joke.
Stronger, not harder. Althought the two are related...

[Robert]

LOL. I know. Harder to bend. You git. :021:

[DMPM]

I would prefer it if you used the terminology "more difficult to bend".

Thanks.

:046:

[Scourge]

I would prefer it if you used the terminology "more difficult to bend".
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[Robert]

Can it.

Just ordered 50 of blue/green and yellow nails off IM.com

$60 deliverd. That shitty bag o' nails is £65 + £11 delivery on pullum. ******s.

So basically, I got twice the amount of nails, for half the price.

JESUS ****IGN CHRIST PULLUM MUST RAKE IT IN.

[Rogue_zero]

youve got me interested in this, is there any reason it cant be a length of 6mm steel?

[Robert]

It can. Thats what I am bending right now. A 6mm 6" peice of steel form B&Q is more difficult to bend* than a 6" nail though.

Also, a 6" shiny bright nail is about 2/3 the difficulty of an Ironmind Red nail, which has a yeild strength of about 600lbs at 90 degrees.

Go to B&Q and get some 6mm rods and cut it up. Have a bash mate, its fun. Its hell on the fingers and hands though, so be careful.

[Robert]

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robmoatesv2/detail?.dir=3325&.dnm=e8d7.jpg&.src=ph

Those are not my personal bests. I have 'U'ed a 6" and a 5" before now. A 5" is much much much harder as its small. The one with the big kink is a 5", next to a 6" for reference.

[Rogue_zero]

I know a guy who owns a fabrication company, he could make 6mmx150mm rods v cheap :023: . I'll ask him for a price. Im gonna give it a go, im sure we got some steel at work.

Cheers :023:

[BengDogg]

I havnt done much nail bending latley my best was a 180kg challenge bar, my poor shoulders said no after a bit but it is fun, also re the iron mind red i heard its like bending 2 6" nails at once

[666]

http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/gregdavebend2.pdf

[BFT]

thinking about having a crack at this, can i just got to B&Q and get some standard wood nails that are 6inches long? Might it be wide to start with longer nails etc?

[Robert]

you can yes. but you will find them a bit harder than you expected and may damage yourself. work your way up.

[BFT]

got the six inchers, yeah there not gunna bend any time soon, whats a good way to build up to this?

[BFT]

From what i can gather thick bar training is good for grip strength, does this have much crossover to nail bending? I cant afford a thick bar im thinking about sticking some pipe lagging ruond my normal bar, its not ideal but might it suffice?

[Narc]

Different kind of grip strength but you should definitely get a thickbar, isn't pipe lagging foam, as in soft?

[BFT]

I suspected so, but should get a bit of thick bar training in anyway, i have a spare thin bar, think ill weld a length of scaffold round that.

[Robert]

I wouldn't bother mate. Since posting this nail bending thing I worked my way back up to a 6"er and now I'm bored. I am fast comng to the conclusion that grip training (apart form thick bar stuff and mega heavy static holds) is juts crap and pointless.

Get a thick bar.

[BFT]

I have never bent a 6inch nail tho so to me its a challange, like any other form training i do it to improve on where i am now, there is no real point to it. Plus i think it would be a cool party trick.