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What does anybody think about this new T-Nation Article (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_program/sports_body_training_muscle_anaconda/anaconda_protocol?utm_source=program_announcement&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tmuscle)? OK, compensatory acceleration I get; stopping the set when the power starts to slow down though? Quick negatives? Whaddya reckon?
I mean all that rubbish on the preview articles about "black-ops" training etc largely put me off but as this article isn't selling me anything I don't know what to think about it.
Couldn't care less, the whole "yeah its $345/month, if you can't afford you just aint serious" attitude is laughable. I'll find the article Anthony Roberts wrote listing the alternatives you could have, the last one was the monthly rental of a 3l Mercedes C class coupe
PikeKing
22-12-2009, 13:23
That training stuff is probably pretty good but the supplement stack can **** off, i'd go on juice before going on that lot
Wow, that is a hell of a lot of super advanced, radical bullshit to cram into one article.
Couldn't care less, the whole "yeah its $345/month, if you can't afford you just aint serious" attitude is laughable. I'll find the article Anthony Roberts wrote listing the alternatives you could have, the last one was the monthly rental of a 3l Mercedes C class coupe
It's not talking about the supps, it's talking about the training.
Well call this thread "The perfect rep" rather than "Anaconda protocol". Yes, i'm being a massive pedant today.
plateau2
22-12-2009, 15:24
Don't really understand how to apply the perfect rep to all exercises.
Don't see many PLs/BBs dropping RE.
plateau2
22-12-2009, 15:24
And $345 a month would be an expensive cycle!
plateau2
22-12-2009, 15:26
Couldn't care less, the whole "yeah its $345/month, if you can't afford you just aint serious" attitude is laughable. I'll find the article Anthony Roberts wrote listing the alternatives you could have, the last one was the monthly rental of a 3l Mercedes C class coupe
Anthony Roberts isn't he a crook, selling roids2000 type supps? Or have I bad mouthed the wrong guy?
Anthony Roberts isn't he a crook, selling roids2000 type supps? Or have I bad mouthed the wrong guy?
thats the guy, he has spent the last ten days or so t-nation bashing which always makes amusing reading
I've been all over this on other forums, suffice to say they've been whitewashed on it. I think they're hoping to make a killing on it and hope that people forget it was a scam a few years down the line. Some nice rebuttals:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/supplement-marketing-on-steroids-by-alan-aragon.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/casein-hydrolysate-and-anabolic-hormones-and-growth-research-review.html
http://jcdfitness.com/2009/12/t-muscles-t-nation-anaconda-protocol-a-no-bs-assessment/
http://www.ampedtraining.com/hating/the-ghetto-anaconda-protocol/
It's sad to see really, t-nation once published some decent stuff but they've fully sold out on this one, as has thib and the rest of the shills over there. Better gains than steroids and only $345 per month, lol!
It's not talking about the supps, it's talking about the training.
Thing is Ian the protocol doest work without the supps. You HAVE to be using anaconda and mag-10 protein if your THAT SERIOUS about training. Only the training plus the protocol produces STEROID LIKE results guaranteed...
http://www.anthonyroberts.co.za/2009/12/price-comparison-with-biotest-and-their-new-anacondai-bodybuilder-campaign/
JumboTron9million
22-12-2009, 16:37
Anaconda Protocol?
Is this some kind of sci-fi porn i've missed?
JumboTron9million
22-12-2009, 16:48
Oh for ****s sake....
I just wasted about 90s of my life block reading that. Yes the training program / rep style proscribed is fine, correct even, for most of the time when training for hypertrophy.
Didn't even look at the supps, can't be arsed.
For £345 I could have 86 amps of 250mg / ml test that would allow me to run a gram a week for 21 weeks, nuff said.
plateau2
22-12-2009, 16:53
For £345 I could have 86 amps of 250mg / ml test that would allow me to run a gram a week for 21 weeks, nuff said.
Exactly TWENTY ONE WEEKS or 1 month of a special protein and special carb mix...
BengDogg
22-12-2009, 17:13
I would defo take the cycle over the supps, I would run a 43 weeker plus pct lol
OK so if we ignore the supps bollucks, that I didn't start the thread to discuss and nobody cares about, what does anybody think of the article that I actually linked to for PL training? JBT, you ever trained like that? I'm wondering if it would be worth training like that for assistance lifts rather than volume I'm using atm, or maybe a little of both. It just sounds like DE work to me really.
PikeKing
23-12-2009, 09:46
I don't know about doing it for assistance work, it would prob take too long. Its designed as a bodybuilding protocol, so why use it for powerlifting? Training for strength you should be exploding your lifts anyway. Also don't forget that if you don't use their supplement stack it won't work anyway
I think it's retarded. Why ignore the eccentric portion of a lift for a hypertrophy routine? A lot of growth can be attributed to the eccentric of any lift.
Basically this routine is a "get out clause" for their supplement protocol. If you can't perform "the perfect rep" train "3 times per day 6 days a week" using fat bars and cluster rep partials and without the FULL supp protocol then you're not getting the beyond steroid gains of 27lb in 6 weeks. It's ass covering on their behalf when he community at t-nation turn on them when they fail to see the promised gains.
Thibadubadoo actually quotes in his own book that 9lb gain in 6 weeks would be good going even on steroids (actual LBM)...
JumboTron9million
23-12-2009, 12:46
I think it's retarded. Why ignore the eccentric portion of a lift for a hypertrophy routine? A lot of growth can be attributed to the eccentric of any lift.
Faster eccentrics = more growth and more recruitment. Trade secret tho, don't tell anyone.
This is just LSSF / DE work with a moderate overall volume, something most of us have done time and time again, albeit usually in amongst other work. I agree with the rep speed rec's, and with avoiding fatigue most of the time (ie cutting the set when force output drops a BIT, rather than repping till it drops to four fifths of **** all) etc but tbh think he is missing a lot out as well.
Good training method for force output? Yes.
Good for hypertrophy? Yes.
All the time? No.
BTW, this would be especially useful for people with no background in strength training but plenty rep effort training behind them as their recruitment / neural efficiency is likely to be pish and holding them back. Back again to the old "find what weak and train it" policy methinks!
Thibs has stepped out of his T-Nation castle to try and defend Anaconda and the I,Bodybuilder protocol. He's avoided answering the real questions asked of him in what looks like an attempt to save some face:
http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showpost.php?p=73248&postcount=40
plateau2
05-01-2010, 21:23
Thibs has stepped out of his T-Nation castle to try and defend Anaconda and the I,Bodybuilder protocol. He's avoided answering the real questions asked of him in what looks like an attempt to save some face:
http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showpost.php?p=73248&postcount=40
thanks for linking that, surprised he even bothered trying!
What's the obsession with bottom position work in this? Almost everything seems to be from the floor / rack / bench so they're going from a dead stop before every concentric. Aren't time under tension and hypoxia from NOT having a break between quite important things to omit or is there something super duper about starting from a dead stop?
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