View Full Version : Favourite Grappling Techniques
PikeKing
06-12-2008, 17:12
We've had loads of whats your favourite exercise posts before, so how about this, Grapplers, what are your favourite techniques, do u like take downs? or ground work? Do you like to work from your guard? Do you like to choke people out or snap their limbs?
i like to work from guard most i think, i feel in a better position there even more so than in mount
triangle chokes are the best!! i like limb locks etc too but if they are crazy enough they can resist it a lot, if you have someone's neck wrapped up properly then there isn't a lot they can do once you have choked them unconscious!
oh but i do like a cheeky calf slicer or ankle lock those always piss people off!
actually can i change my mind?
gogoplata is the best move ever if you manage to get on, as its quite an extravagant move and you can usually put an arm bar on much easier, but it feels great to choke someone out with your foot
I'm rubbish at sweeps so I tend to play off my back and work triangles and omoplatas. My armbars are crap so don't attempt them too often.
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PikeKing
06-12-2008, 19:54
Koala guard.
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PikeKing
06-12-2008, 20:04
lol nice URL
kinkymisspinky
06-12-2008, 20:44
My stand up is a bit shite, feel completely comfortable on the ground.
I prefer to play on top. Favourite guard opening is to stand up. Cross pass is my favourite. I also like to smash pass with double underhooks, variants of toreana pass and a JJ Machado pass. I also like to pass to half guard first and work from there, part of my bulldozer jiu-jitsu game.
I don't like to play closed guard. Prefer a combination of spider and De La Riva. I don't really look for subs from the guard, if it presents itself I'll take it but usually I try to sweep from the De La Riva.
My favourite slick position is when they stand up in my guard and I haul myself up then sweep them with an omoplata and land sitting on their chest with them in a triangle. Very nice.
I love armbars. My favourite is step over armbar. I also like to throw armbars from the back, from inside the half guard, everwhere really. I used to like collar chokes but my fingers are mangled so I try to protect them as much as possible now. Armbars are bread and butter so it's important to be able to hit them from anywhere.
kinkymisspinky
06-12-2008, 20:48
i like limb locks etc too but if they are crazy enough they can resist it a lot,
If you throw a good armbar they should be tapping in seconds. If it's hard work to finish an armbar I'd go back and review your technique.
kinkymisspinky
06-12-2008, 20:53
I'm rubbish at sweeps so I tend to play off my back and work triangles and omoplatas. My armbars are crap so don't attempt them too often.
Do you play closed guard? My sweeps only improved when I opened my game. Have you considered sweeping from the omoplata?
PikeKing
06-12-2008, 20:59
Fred do you ever train with Alex DeSouza?
If you throw a good armbar they should be tapping in seconds. If it's hard work to finish an armbar I'd go back and review your technique.
i do agree for the most part, i just feel someones head is a more important part of anatomy than their arm so feel more confident pulling that apart and think it is more applicable for a street fight/bar brawl etc
Do you play closed guard? My sweeps only improved when I opened my game. Have you considered sweeping from the omoplata?
OP sweep is the only one I really use (pulled it off a few weeks back). Most of the time my guard is closed, I like to use it to put pressure on my opponents mid section. It works well on noobs as they leave themselves open for triangle central trying to pry off, I used it in Judo to great effect. A good BJJ player would have no troubles with it tho.
Once I've got my head round it all again in the new year I'm going to experiment with new ideas in sparring.
Fred do you ever train with Alex DeSouza?
not yet
I used to love armbars when I did Judo, I armbarred a much bigger guy than me to win West of England Champs when I was 14.
Was always good at take-downs, always aimed to take down people hard, and if possible towards their head and neck (bad I know), to disorientate them. Then gives you a few seconds to take position whilst they recover. Although not grappling I prefer ground-and-pound being a boxer cos I have heavy hands!
PikeKing
06-12-2008, 21:30
isnt crushing someones midsection illegal in Judo?
isnt crushing someones midsection illegal in Judo?
Yes. But only a wuss would complain to the ref about it. It's not like I used body triangles tho. Some people have a good tight guard and if they put the squeeze on it hurts like hell. I rolled with a 4th dan jiu jitsu guy (about 17 st) who did this to me I though my guts were about to pop out my mouth like a squashed hedgehog haha!
I'm not sure, is so long since I fought competitively, I used to use a finger under the nose to bring people's chins up for a choke, that was illegal but amazingly successful (providing you didnt get caught)
PikeKing
06-12-2008, 21:39
I though my guts were about to pop out my mouth like a squashed hedgehog haha!
you sure it was your mouth?
PikeKing
06-12-2008, 21:41
I'm not sure, is so long since I fought competitively, I used to use a finger under the nose to bring people's chins up for a choke, that was illegal but amazingly successful (providing you didnt get caught)
haha nice, its amazing what you can get away with
cant beat a punch in the throat when going for a sleeve choke in kesagatame, i know because it happened to me and i had a sore throat for 2 weeks after!
kinkymisspinky
06-12-2008, 22:54
i do agree for the most part, i just feel someones head is a more important part of anatomy than their arm so feel more confident pulling that apart and think it is more applicable for a street fight/bar brawl etc
Head may be more applicable in a street fight or brawl but I'd hardly be working off my back for triangles or gogos in that situation.
kinkymisspinky
06-12-2008, 22:57
Most of the time my guard is closed, I like to use it to put pressure on my opponents mid section.
That sounds like it would be really tiring on adductors, glutes, tib ant... I'd probably give myself cramp.
That sounds like it would be really tiring on adductors, glutes, tib ant... I'd probably give myself cramp.
I don't find it too bad during training, next day I can feel it tho.
kinkymisspinky
06-12-2008, 23:21
I don't find it too bad during training, next day I can feel it tho.
One of the reasons I don't like to play closed guard for any length of time is that my tib ants feel like they're going to cramp any minute. Also, I think Jiu-jitsu should be easy.
My favourites are slams :)
PikeKing
07-12-2008, 01:23
I think I like standing and ground work equally.
My favourite throw/takedown is probably osoto-gari, i also like osoto-toshi and harai-goshi, though I probably use double legs and simple foot sweeps more as I tend to get them off quick, I want to get good at kata-guruma.
As for ground work, I dont like mount that much, favourite thing on the ground is attacking an opponent on thier front, working for a turnover, i like turnovers, and figure 4 type locks from there. In general I prefer armbars/arm locks over chokes, I dont have lots of confidence in chokes.
kinkymisspinky
07-12-2008, 09:11
favourite thing on the ground is attacking an opponent on thier front, working for a turnover, i like turnovers,
What are your favourite turnovers? I have problems when they lie flat on their front with hands on their neck. If they're turtled it's fine and I attack with an armbar or collar choke but I do find it very frustrating when they just lie there. I don't really have the opportunity to attack that position in BJJ because it's considered to be a mount so my opponent doesn't want to stay there.
PikeKing
07-12-2008, 10:01
What are your favourite turnovers? I have problems when they lie flat on their front with hands on their neck. If they're turtled it's fine and I attack with an armbar or collar choke but I do find it very frustrating when they just lie there. I don't really have the opportunity to attack that position in BJJ because it's considered to be a mount so my opponent doesn't want to stay there.
I suppose a lot of what you can do depends on the size of your opponent as imagine most when doing Randori are bigger than you?
I normally get on them right away, grab back of collar and belt, jump from knees to feet, and give a sharp pull to lift them, they either stay rigid and leave the ground or it brings them to their knees, from there is kick hooks in, normally giving them a deadleg in the process. The sharp pull on the collar has normally created and opening to use the collar as a track, sliding hands round to the throat.
If not, and more often than not as I prefer it once i've got hooks I'll for an arm. Example
Shoot my left arm under their left armpit, grab wrist, spin round so my right leg is on the back of their head, pull arm out for udegarami/kimura, can get tap from that, or they roll themselves to relieve pressure, placing themselves into an an arm bar.
Or hook the left arm, making sure of a deep right hook, rollover their left shoulder, taking them with me, rolling hips so as to set up arm bar on left arm, or mid roll swap my left to right arm grip, on their left arm, keep rolling an and up in mount, americana is right there, though normally I just pin from there while going for ezekial choke.
god its hard explaining this stuff in text!
I definitely prefer stand-up to ground work - it's where being bigger is more of an advantage. Love slams and takedowns, though also a big fan of clinch work if we're counting that as grappling? I like it mostly because of the opportunities for knees so maybe not...
PikeKing
07-12-2008, 11:40
I definitely prefer stand-up to ground work - it's where being bigger is more of an advantage. Love slams and takedowns, though also a big fan of clinch work if we're counting that as grappling? I like it mostly because of the opportunities for knees so maybe not...
i like the clinch, I assume you're talking about a thai style clinch as you're talking knees?
Yep that's my preferred, though also general dirty boxing style clinching as well.
kinkymisspinky
07-12-2008, 14:38
I suppose a lot of what you can do depends on the size of your opponent as imagine most when doing Randori are bigger than you?
I normally get on them right away, grab back of collar and belt, jump from knees to feet, and give a sharp pull to lift them, they either stay rigid and leave the ground or it brings them to their knees, from there is kick hooks in, normally giving them a deadleg in the process. The sharp pull on the collar has normally created and opening to use the collar as a track, sliding hands round to the throat.
I've never randoried anyone smaller or even same size as me. A 70kg opponent (14kg heavier than me) is really as good as it gets :012:
Will try yanking them up as you described. Maybe will just clock choking them in future.
kinkymisspinky
07-12-2008, 14:39
though also a big fan of clinch work if we're counting that as grappling? I like it mostly because of the opportunities for knees so maybe not...
Clinching definitely counts. You can grapple standing or on the ground.
PikeKing
07-12-2008, 14:57
I've never randoried anyone smaller or even same size as me. A 70kg opponent (14kg heavier than me) is really as good as it gets :012:
Will try yanking them up as you described. Maybe will just clock choking them in future.
there is not rule saying you have to turn them over of course, a lot of the players i know just go straight for the neck, there are ways to clear the hands
kinkymisspinky
07-12-2008, 16:04
there is not rule saying you have to turn them over of course, a lot of the players i know just go straight for the neck, there are ways to clear the hands
No, but once you've turned them over you are in a winning position and can choose to just lie there or sub them. If you don't turn them over you only have 10 secs to work.
PikeKing
07-12-2008, 16:06
you better get busy then
Frodocious
10-12-2008, 13:37
OK, I've been ordered over here by Kinkymisspinky ;) :D and have been having a think about what techniques I tend to go for. It depends on who I'm fighting, if they're about the same size as me or smaller than me (they are usually weaker than I am as well) I'll tend to try for armbars, keylocks and kimuras, if they're a lot bigger than me (which is most often the case) then I usually end up on the bottom and will try for a guillotine. I have small boney wrists, which means that these go on quite well, the same is true of an RNC if I can get in position to try them. I like the idea of the triangle but am crap at getting them to work!
kinkymisspinky
10-12-2008, 23:45
I have small boney wrists, which means that these go on quite well
Bony wrists are perfect for lots of gi chokes! Cross collar especially springs to mind - you'd just turn the blade edge of your wrist to dig into their carotid artery and cut off blood supply to their brain :D
kinkymisspinky
10-12-2008, 23:47
I like the idea of the triangle but am crap at getting them to work!
They're easier to get on with long legs. I find them a bit difficult to get on because my legs are short but once they're on I don't even really have to squeeze due to my meaty adductors.
Frodocious
11-12-2008, 09:43
Bony wrists are perfect for lots of gi chokes! Cross collar especially springs to mind - you'd just turn the blade edge of your wrist to dig into their carotid artery and cut off blood supply to their brain :D
I'll try to work on these in Judo.
They're easier to get on with long legs. I find them a bit difficult to get on because my legs are short but once they're on I don't even really have to squeeze due to my meaty adductors.
I have the same problem of short legs - I think my flexibility lets me down as well.
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