Maximum Static Contractions

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peak contraction isnt just "squeezing" a muscle

bands can be used for peak contrraction

and why would an isometric portion added to a lift be any good?

[PikeKing]

peak contraction isnt just "squeezing" a muscle

well why dont you enlighten everyone instead of making a statement

bands can be used for peak contrraction

well done

and why would an isometric portion added to a lift be any good?

you know why you just wont accept it

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peak contraction is simply the hardest point, due to biomechanical position etc, of an exercise ie the start of a bicep curl


bands can be used to increased tension through "easier" portions of a lift. Going back to the bicep curl, there would be minimal tension at the start, max at the end point, to facilitate as muc "peak" contraction as possible

isometric contraction:
a)increases strength at a certain joint angle
b) is strenuous on CNS if implemented properly and poor in terms of trrainihng economy much of the time
c) requires supra maximal loading which can be dangerous and not practical
d) is probably not the best way to improve muscle size. Research is hazy. Experience of many have been negative, thats why the majority of pro BBers dont use it

e)sub maximal isometrics are a waste of time. Your body can handle the force created and the stimulus would rarely be great enough to stimulate hypertrophy
f) probably doesnt make a pump so BBers wouldnt do them!

[PikeKing]

isometric contraction:
a)increases strength at a certain joint angle

very true, thats why this is on the bodybuilding forum

b) is strenuous on CNS if implemented properly and poor in terms of trrainihng economy much of the time

how is a max contraction at the end of each rep going to add much time to a workout and its not energy expensive

c) requires supra maximal loading which can be dangerous and not practical

no it doesnt, i didnt say maximal isometrics

d) is probably not the best way to improve muscle size. Research is hazy. Experience of many have been negative, thats why the majority of pro BBers dont use it

you are still thinking i am saying use isometric by themselves, i am not

e)sub maximal isometrics are a waste of time. Your body can handle the force created and the stimulus would rarely be great enough to stimulate hypertrophy

again these are not used on their own

f) probably doesnt make a pump so BBers wouldnt do them!

if used in the manner i explain they create a huge pump!

[Robert]

Help:
There is no such thing as a supramaximal isometric. If the weight were supramaximal, you wouldn't be able to hold it!

What about this:
Consider 2 lifters, both have the same sticking point in Mill Press (bar just above head). Both do thier normal routines, except on Mill Press, wher they employ different tactics.

Lifter [1] is going to use isometric contraction by setting the pins just below where he usually fails. Pressing the weight as usual, (from calvicle) the bar reaches the pins and at that point the lifter pushes the bar against the pins for 2-5 seconds, then complete the eccentric as normal. As isometrics facilitate strength increases with a given range of jiont angles (5-10 degrees either side), this should help the lifter break through this weakness by training it specifically.

Lifter [2] is going to use bands. Help, how would you alter the Mill Press, given the weak point, to accomodate for this?

[Robert]

Also, what about paused squats/paused anything???

Hypertrophy: Increased TUL is always going to be benifical* for hypertrophy.
*Within reason.
Strength: As if I need to go there.

AND,

What about plate pinching?

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plate pinchin is strength

paused anything is to destroy stretch reflex

TUL is ok to an extent BUT at the peak (the part where u squeeze) it is an isometric contraction as the muscle is contracting but no movement is made

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lifter 2 would use bands so that they kick in at the weak point

the lifter will need to use less weight and build more speed by exerting more forc at the beginning to break this weak point. The speed may be so slow that its a quasi isometric

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supramaximal isometrtic is commonly used to deefine a weight above max concentric weight that can be used

[Robert]

How would you use bands given that the weak point is BP not LO? The tension would be minimal at BP, and so not training the weakness.

The only other thing I would suggest is PP. Oddly enough, PP does more for my pressing than MP does. Maybe it has somethign to do with the higher load?