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the block
02-11-2004, 18:19
maybe a crap question - but then again maybe not...
is there any visual difference between myofibrillar and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?
hmmmm
i think that maybe if your super ripped then you owuld see more "strtiations" with sacroplasmic
whats the difference?
All yours Rob.
Visually, at less than 5% BF then you might be able to see a little more than you can at 10%, I.e. Nothing.
Myo takes longer lb for lb. Thats all.
Visually, at less than 5% BF then you might be able to see a little more than you can at 10%, I.e. Nothing.
Myo takes longer lb for lb. Thats all.
how do you go about attaining these different types of hypertrophy?
Man of Steel
03-11-2004, 15:10
Train at five reps or below for mainly myofibrillar and above for sarcoplasmic. You want big myofibrillar muscles.
so a bodybuilder with myo hypertrophy would look better than a bodybuilder with the other type?
is the only reason they go for the other type is bcos it takes longer?
Man of Steel
03-11-2004, 15:31
A bodybuilder who trained for sarco hypertrophy would look better than one who trained for myo because he would probably be bigger, but the one who trained for myo would probably be stronger. They go for sarco hypertrophy because you put on more mass, but you also lose that type of mass quicker.You can't train for one type of mass exclusively, if you train for myo you'll also gain some sarco and vice versa.
People dont really train for the type of muscle mass, they train for strength, size etc.
No. A BBer with predominantly myo hypertrophy woud be massively stronger than his sarco counterpart.
Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is basically cell volumisation. More fluid in the cell. It tends to lend itself towards higher rep training for reasons still being debated. As the fluid (sarcoplasm) is a none-contractile component of the muscle, it therefore follows that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy does not make you any stronger. That said, it is easier to come by (I.e. gains are faster) and equally, easy to lose. Its also called fluff muscle. Its what most BBers tend to go for.
Myofribillar hypertrophy is a thickening of the myofribills (actin-myosin x-bridges. sp?) As these x-bridges are contractile components of the muscle, (they produce the force), myoblah hyperblah makes you stronger. It is much slower and much less visible than sarcoblah hyperblah. So it follows that it is harder to come by and harder to lose.
Rep ranges?
Myo: 1-5 reps (lower the better)
Sarco: 5+ (more than 10 is pointless)
You are a PL, you shoudl only concern yourself with myo. Sarco is as good as fat to you, as its just dead weight that doesn't make you any stronger. If you want to compete in a weight catagory, get as little sarco as poss.
EDIT: The "No" was in reply to cheggers, not MOS.
EDIT: You will never gain myo without sarco and vis versa.
i will add that you can only get to a certain level of sarco h. development before more myofib h. is needed to support more sarcoplasm
sarco can contribute to strength only in terms of leverage
I would like to add that sarco hypertrophy is for gays. No one should want to get bigger without getting stronger.
I disagree.
Unless you sole aim in training is to better defend yourself by being stronger, training for strength for the sake of it is as foolish as being big for the sake of it.
Unless you are intending to fight someone, why do you need to be strong?
Unless you are intending to fight someone, why do you need to be strong?
So strength of any kind is not beneficial to a fighter? I think most wrestlers would diasagree with you. If you mean PLing is not good for fighters then possibly...
Edit: You're a grappler, surely you would know this, or are you taking the p1ss?
training for strength for the sake of it is as foolish as being big for the sake of it.
Wrong, so being strong doesnt have any uses which may not be predetermined by the trainee? I believe you used to train for general strength, so did I.
If you blindly train for something with no intended goal and no real reason why you do it you will never ever get there, I cannot stress this point enough.
Mike, have you got your fcuking retard hat on today or what?
Unless you sole aim in training is to better defend yourself by being stronger, training for strength for the sake of it is as foolish as being big for the sake of it.
Unless you are intending to fight someone, why do you need to be strong?
Meaning, if you are training to fight someone, being strong is an advantage worth training for. If you are not entering into combat, training to get strong is not any different to training getting big, in that, outside of combat sports: In todays society, being big, or strong has no advantages in everyday life.
Wrong, so being strong doesnt have any uses which may not be predetermined by the trainee? I believe you used to train for general strength, so did I.
I used to train for strength for MA. When I stopped Jiu Jitsu, my passion for strength pretty much died with it.
If you blindly train for something with no intended goal and no real reason why you do it you will never ever get there, I cannot stress this point enough.
Thats the kind of BS I expect from a narrow-minded goon like the one recently banend from here. When have I suggested blindly training for no reason?
Meaning, if you are training to fight someone, being strong is an advantage worth training for. If you are not entering into combat, training to get strong is not any different to training getting big, in that, it has no advantages in everyday life.
Yep being strong is worthless in everyday life. When your car breaks down being a little stronger wont help at all will it? Being a little stronger wont help doing manual labour either. You can see where I am going.
I used to train for strength for MA. When I stopped Jiu Jitsu, my passion for strength pretty much died with it.
Now you are going another martial art, what now?
Thats the kind of BS I expect from a narrow-minded goon like the one recently banend from here. When have I suggested blindly training for no reason?
Err
training for strength for the sake of it is as foolish as being big for the sake of it.
I'm glad you like my little sentense, I'll put it in my sig latter.
Yep being strong is worthless in everyday life. When your car breaks down being a little stronger wont help at all will it? Being a little stronger wont help doing manual labour either. You can see where I am going.
Funny that. My mum can change a wheel on a car (owing to the fact that all cars are now fitted with a jack devised by a woman, for women, and most car wheels weigh little more than 20kg). Does she total elite? Erm... No. My friend John Coathup is a building site labourer, could he bench 100kg? Erm... No.
Face facts, being strong is as utterly pointless as being; huge, ripped, tanned and in a thong, on stage infront of 10 000 homos all screaming for you while you psyche out the guy next to you in the pose down. Unless your going to fight someone, then its useful.
Now you are going another martial art, what now?
No idea. But since I am no longer a sheep to the master, I don't care much either.
Training for strength is fine. But it IS NOT the alpha and omega of the training world.
Funny that. My mum can change a wheel on a car (owing to the fact that all cars are now fitted with a jack devised by a woman, for women, and most car wheels weigh little more than 20kg). Does she total elite? Erm... No. My friend John Coathup is a building site labourer, could he bench 100kg? Erm... No.
I was talking about pushing the car when it breaks down. You didnt comment on my other example. I'm sure we can come up with more to prove my point.
Face facts, being strong is as utterly pointless as being; huge, ripped, tanned and in a thong, on stage infront of 10 000 homos all screaming for you while you psyche out the guy next to you in the pose down. Unless your going to fight someone, then its useful
Strength is no good, you heard it here first folks.
No idea. But since I am no longer a sheep to the master, I don't care much either.
It was your decision who's advice you took.
You did comment in fact. Bench strength isnt the only kind of strength.
Mike, did you even read my post? I did comment on the other example. Go back and read it again. Also, the reaosn the AA, the RAC and Green Flag can afford to have adverts on primetime TV costing £hundereds of thousands for a 30second slot, is because they are big companies. They have a massive coustomer base, just about every new car sold in Britain somes with 3-5 years free roadside breakdown cover. Like I said, in todays society there is no need to train for strength at all, outside of combat sports.
Strength is no good, you heard it here first folks.
LMAO. If you want to train fo strength, then go for it. But if you are under any assumptions that its going to get you further in life, in terms of relationships, interms of income, in terms of your career. Your sorely mistaken. Train for strength if the consistant progress with regards picking metal objects up off the floor makes you happy. Otherwise, don't waste your time. Like I did.
It was your decision who's advice you took.
True. But who's decision is it to keep trying to change my mind now I don't take that said advice anymore?
Mike, did you even read my post? I did comment on the other example. Go back and read it again. Also, the reaosnm the AA, RAC and Green Flag can afford to have adverts on primetime TV costing £hundereds of thousands for a 30second slot, is because they are big companies. They have a massive coustomer base, just about every new car sold inBritian somes with 3-5 years free roadside breakdown cover. Like I said, in todays society there is no need to train for strength at all, outside of combat sports.
I know you commented, see my post. When I broke down on a duel carridge way I pushed my car 100m+ to get it to the side of the road so others could get by easier, London is a busy place. How is that not beneficial? Any man who cant push a standard car is a pussy, end of.
LMAO. If you want to train fo strength, then go for it. But if you are under any assumptions that its going to get you further in life, in terms of relationships, interms of income, in terms of your career. Your sorely mistaken. Train for strength if the consistant progress with regards picking metal objects up off the floor makes you happy. Otherwise, don't waste your time, like I did.
Relationships:
Women like strong guys, I mean real women, not silly girls who love a six pack.
Historically women loved men for what they could do, not what they looked like.
Career and income:
Poeple make money from strength eg oly lifters. "Ordinary" people increase their work performance from being strong, we've spoken about this already.
I will continue lifting clumps of metal off the floor, see the tatoo thread for my reasons.
True. But who's decision is it to keep trying to change my mind now I don't take that said advice anymore?
"If you do something because I told you to then you're a fool, you should do it because you know I'm right" - Cus D'amato on Mike Tyson.
I agree abotut the car push bit. But pushign a car isn't exactly hard unless you make it.
Anyways, I have better things to do than continue this yo-yo ( :014: ) arguement thats going nowhere.
I agree abotut the car push bit. But pushign a car isn't exactly hard unless you make it.
Anyways, I have better things to do than continue this yo-yo ( :014: ) arguement thats going nowhere.
Pushing a car can be made MUCH easier with training.
There is enough here for the members of IR to make up their own minds, and I know they will, even if they dont post.
GoldenArrow
03-11-2004, 19:01
This board rules!
This board rules!
No arguments there, for a change.
dirtyvest
03-11-2004, 20:41
But isn't fighting someone pretty pointless too. Fighting is, IMHO, as pointless as everything else you have listed as being pointless.
You may have competative fighting, but why is that less useless than BBing etc.
Fascinating perspective.
But isn't fighting someone pretty pointless too. Fighting is, IMHO, as pointless as everything else you have listed as being pointless.
You may have competative fighting, but why is that less useless than BBing etc.
Fascinating perspective.
Fighting isnt pointless, unfortunately people (especially us guys) will get into trouble sometime in our lives and may need to fight. Additionally fighting gives us other attributes apart from being able to fight. It teaches discipline, concentration, flexibility, bodily conditioning.....
Nothing is pointless as there are always reasons why we do things, although some reasons are far better then others.
dirtyvest
03-11-2004, 21:15
That's fair enough, and doesn't make it any less pointless IMHO.... there's no guarentee you'll get in a fight, just as there's no guarentee you'll need strength for anything else.
Being strong in a training sense tho still may not be that relevant to fighting. I know plenty of guys weaker than me in every sense in the gym who I sure as hell wouldn't want to fight with.
Just find it interesting in Roberts perspective that you would train assuming you will get into a fight - unless I've misinterpretted.
I don't care why people do what they do, just found it interesting that for fighting it's valid but not for anything else - it all seems pointless to placid little old me :)
That's fair enough, and doesn't make it any less pointless IMHO.... there's no guarentee you'll get in a fight, just as there's no guarentee you'll need strength for anything else.
Saving your, your GF's, friends, familys life is pointless? There's no guarantee that we will live another second, doesnt mean we shouldnt look to the future, plan, invest... There's no guarantee we will need to walk tomorrow so might as well cut our legs off...you see where I'm going.
Being strong in a training sense tho still may not be that relevant to fighting. I know plenty of guys weaker than me in every sense in the gym who I sure as hell wouldn't want to fight with.
There are different kinds of strength. A bencher who can do 200kg may not be much of a fighter, but a lifter who can toss a 250lb sand bag could be an awesome grappler. People when they hear of training think BBer first and then PLer and thats it. This is wrong for obvious reasons.
Just find it interesting in Roberts perspective that you would train assuming you will get into a fight - unless I've misinterpretted.
No dude, Rob thinks training for strength is only worth while for fighting and competition (correct me if I'm wrong Rob) I think general strength training IS beneficial for everyday activities.
I don't care why people do what they do, just found it interesting that for fighting it's valid but not for anything else - it all seems pointless to placid little old me
I care very much why people do what they do as to understand them better, that way advice can be given, problems are solved easier... If a doctor didnt care about why people do what they do where would that leave the patient?
If you dont care about why people want to weight train then how can you advice them if you dont understand their angle? I find it strange that a moderator who advices people on a regular basis would have this view.
Nothing is pointless.
Edit: For Pikeking: Sorry.
dirtyvest
03-11-2004, 22:15
OK, that last bit wasn't quite meant in the way it came out, my bad. I didn't mean I literally don't care about what anyone does. I just meant it doesn't bother me as such why people do what they do.... oh, sod it, I can't explain what I meant by that properly! Hopefully you can sort of see what I meant, maybe not.
I guess I was really trying to express that everything is of equal point or pointlessness at the end of the day. Maybe it was in too much of a round about way.
I'm confusing myself now, need sleep........ :P
I do agree with you that general strength does hold benefits to everyday life
P.S. I tend to use IMHO/IMO to try and reduce any agressive tone that may come across as it's read - something you don't seem to care about judging by how that remark read :).... it's pointless. OR it's, IMHO, pointless. - see.
OK, that last bit wasn't quite meant in the way it came out, my bad. I didn't mean I literally don't care about what anyone does. I just meant it doesn't bother me as such why people do what they do.... oh, sod it, I can't explain what I meant by that properly! Hopefully you can sort of see what I meant, maybe not.
I guess I was really trying to express that everything is of equal point or pointlessness at the end of the day. Maybe it was in too much of a round about way.
I'm confusing myself now, need sleep........ :P
I do agree with you that general strength does hold benefits to everyday life
P.S. I tend to use IMHO/IMO to try and reduce any agressive tone that may come across as it's read - something you don't seem to care about judging by how that remark read :).... it's pointless. OR it's, IMHO, pointless. - see.
I understand. Get some sleep.
Importance varies from person to person.
I understand why you use IMHO but I'm not easily offended and am not a p*ssy so dont worry about it.
dirtyvest
03-11-2004, 22:40
"Importance varies from person to person."
That's basically what I was alluding to - I do make things hard for myself sometimes :)
DV:
Mike is right. I said that strength traiing is pointless unless you are doing it to defend yourself. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it? I can see how that could be confused with thinking that I intended "pointless" to mean, "you shouldn't do it.
BBing is pointless, we don'tr need to be big, so is fighting, we don't need to fight, so is being stronger, we don't need strength like we used to.
BUT: This is the part I think you and Mike have missed, and thats my faulr for explaining it poorly....
Doing something that is pointless [I.e. doing somethign you don't need to do], like painting a picture, or lifting weights, or driving a car fast around a track, or eating sweets intead of fruit, or geling your hair, or buying faded jeans, or etc etc etc.... Isn't going to improve you as a person, but it may well make you happy, and because of that, you shoud do it.
If that isn't clearer, I will bullet point my opinions:
1. Everyone should train, even if its just for health.
2. Once you are at/above a basic level of fitness and flexability, neither strength training nor hypertrophy training are nessecary. In that, it itsn't going to prolong your life, it isn't going to help you in your job, it isn't going to get you/improve friendships. BUT: If trainign for hypertrophy/strength makes you happy, then by God you should do it.
3. BUT: Just because training for strength makes you happy, or training for mass makes you happy, doesn't mean it [I] does for everyone else, and [II] is any less pointless than wearing armarni aftershave instead of gucci. By that I mean, the choice is yours, and its very likey to be different form person to person. Just as peoples preference of clothes, cars, aftershave and haircuts differ, so to does thier goals in training. None of those goals are wrong. None of them.
You don't need to be strong. Why can't someone be big and not strong? <<<That is my point.
It may also be worth noting that I am not against strength training, infact, sometimes I like it, but to say that BBers are gay because the are not strong is wrong. Period.
[They are gay, but for other reasons ;) ]
I diagree with most of your post^^^, I have explained why during this thread already so there's no need to go over old ground.
I train for strength, that doesnt mean I dont train for health. IMHO ( ;) :p @DV) training for health is too vague and is not a good primary goal. If you are injured and train for health, meaning rehab then thats fine. Those of us who are healthy should aim to be the best we can be, who doesnt agree? For max health you will need to have a high level of muscular, tendon, ligament... strength, what better why to achieve this then strength training? To be healthy you need a strong heart/lungs, what better way to achieve this then training for endurance? Health is a crap primary goal. When you want to improve you need a good clean diet whether your a bber or Pler... again this contributes to good health. Not to mention flexibility, posture...
Where is the point where you are strong/healthy/big enough?
Training because it makes you happy is good, but why does it make you happy?
Is it because you have low self esteem? Training will only get you so far before you feel sh1t again because you have not dealth with the real problem.
Training to impress others is wrong, because you should do it for you. Impressing others may make you happy but it is a crap reason because you are seeking acceptance of others.
The list goes on...
You don't need to be strong. Why can't someone be big and not strong? <<<That is my point.
being big and not strong is visual, you can see someone is big. This creates a false persona for the big guy because people think big=strong. This is misleading, it is a lie yet people will treat you differently based on your lie. The big guy is manipulating everyone into thinking he is something he isnt. This is wrong. I like honest people. I want honest friends not someone with all mouth and no bollox. True, it's everyone around the big guy who assume he is strong, but does the big guy play up to it or tell the truth? Draw your own conclusions.
Strength is real there're no illusions, either you lift it or you dont, simple as that. I want my lifts to do the talking, not my body or my mouth.
Why do we need to do anything? Lets just kill ourselves so we dont need to think, feel, see, eat, look at porn :) .............or do anything. We dont need anything when we are dead, what's the point of anything if we dont need it?
Not in the mood for these long winded debates. So I will be brief:
1. Training for health is a fine goal. My dad trains fo health. He doesn't need to be be any fitter than he is, he doesn't need to eat much better. He also doesn't enjoy any part of being healthy, he hates CV and can't stand healthy eating. There is no need for him to train any harder than he does already. Besides, he has better things to do.
2. I don't know weather you used it as an example, or were asking me directly? But to the best of my knowlage, I have fine self esteem.
Not in the mood for these long winded debates. So I will be brief:
Neither am I.
1. Training for health is a fine goal. My dad trains fo health. He doesn't need to be be any fitter than he is, he doesn't need to eat much better. He also doesn't enjoy any part of being healthy, he hates CV and can't stand healthy eating. There is no need for him to train any harder than he does already. Besides, he has better things to do.
Hate's cv and healthy eating? Doesnt sound healthy at all. Just because you are alive or dont have a life treatening disease does not make you healthy.
2. I don't know weather you used it as an example, or were asking me directly? But to the best of my knowlage, I have fine self esteem.
Not directed at you. Many people think they have fine self esteem, I would disagree (again not directed at you).
the block
05-11-2004, 00:55
mmmm. okay - hypertrophy whether sarcoplasmic or myofribillar appears the same. <buff> :cool: so there goes the myth/crap about lifting heavy weights making you look powerful not that i adopted that opinion.
re:debate;
people take things to different levels of seriousness. everybody needs to eat and eats but some people are chefs/connoisours etc...
same ways everybody needs to be healthy. as a saying goes - a healthy mind in a healthy body. obviously there are exceptions but take the general meaning.
rob - your perspective is interesting. i think that training is also something like food for which one develops an appetite above the norm. i'm sure all of us eat more than is required for us to maintain life.
like mike said a basic level of fitness to do normal everyday things is imo necessary and something that the modern man has ignored/moved away from. technology etc... will affect the level of fitness required in a given society. its very specific. e.g. there is a vast difference between the levels required in some third world country compared to the U.K.
after this level how far you delve is dependant on you. some have large appetites and others small. this is how you end up with super athletes/experts in fields etc...
the motivators for training vary from person to person but imo the bottom line is that if you dont enjoy it then you're not going to stick to it unless you have the mother of all motivators. (not Mr.Motivator :044: )
Hate's cv and healthy eating? Doesnt sound healthy at all. Just because you are alive or dont have a life treatening disease does not make you healthy.
FFS. He eats very healthily and does CV 3-4xWeek, he doesn't have to like doing it though.
like mike said a basic level of fitness to do normal everyday things is imo necessary and something that the modern man has ignored/moved away from. technology etc
I said that!!!!!!! Mike was the one saying if you don't train for mega strength your gay/a loser etc etc. I said afetr you have got a basic level of fitness and flexability, what you do after that is up to you.
I said that!!!!!!! Mike was the one saying if you don't train for mega strength your gay/a loser etc etc. I said afetr you have got a basic level of fitness and flexability, what you do after that is up to you.
I didnt say that, I said training to be strong is necessary.
I've had enough of this one. :039:
the block
05-11-2004, 18:07
I said that!!!!!!! Mike was the one saying if you don't train for mega strength your gay/a loser etc etc. I said afetr you have got a basic level of fitness and flexability, what you do after that is up to you.
oops. :o
I didnt say that, I said training to be strong is necessary.
I think Robert has already made it clear that training to be strong is not necessary. You may personally feel that strength is desirable, but in modern society it isn't a necessity. Anyway, physical appearance is far more functional in Western society than is strength. Everyday people are looking at you and making inferences about your personality and lifestyle on the grounds of your physical appearance. People tend not to be interested in how much you can or can not squat.
yeah but im an ugly bastard
and if your any good at the whole BBing melarky, you would be so big that many people would consider you stupid just by looking at your size
People tend not to be interested in how much you can or can not squat.
I disagree. Some people shit themselves and think im superman when I tell them what I lift... albeit very little.
BengDogg
08-11-2004, 21:10
But what if you dont tell them, people think i am gaining weight cos of "married life" I like being a bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing
But what if you dont tell them, people think i am gaining weight cos of "married life" I like being a bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing
I only tell people other than my friends if they ask. Only reason I tell my friends is because its something I excel at compared to them and they feel weak and mortal in comparison to a God like myself.
BengDogg
08-11-2004, 21:54
I only tell people other than my friends if they ask. Only reason I tell my friends is because its something I excel at compared to them and they feel weak and mortal in comparison to a God like myself.
Lol so moddest!
I think Robert has already made it clear that training to be strong is not necessary. You may personally feel that strength is desirable, but in modern society it isn't a necessity. Anyway, physical appearance is far more functional in Western society than is strength. Everyday people are looking at you and making inferences about your personality and lifestyle on the grounds of your physical appearance. People tend not to be interested in how much you can or can not squat.
Yes Robert has stated his opinion and it is just that, an opinion. Are you a friend of his or something? I find it strange that on your first post you specifically defend a particular member and treat his opinion as gospel, just asking.
Strength is not a necessity if you're a pen pusher no, but there are other jobs and activities where strength is beneficial.
Just because people make references based on the way they look doesnt mean they are accurate or correct to do so. This is silly.
Physical appearance can never be functional because it is percieved by others and these perceptions vary greatly.
If I was to base my opinion of you from your post I would say you are very superficail amongst other things as you are banging on about the way people look. This is wrong, I dont actually think this, but you can easily be percieved in this way - just like when people make assumptions of the the way others look, and assume they are something they are not, you see?
People dont care about how much you squat or anything else, but when they see you doing it, watch the look on their faces, priceless. I challenged my mate to close the coc 2 (he doesnt train) he could barely move it, I closed it. I seemed awesome to him.
Physical appearance is an illusion, strength is reality.
I have no respect for people who purposely use their appearance to manipulate others.
Mike:
This is not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid. It is a matter of fact. In modern Western society, being physically attractive is far more functional than is being physically strong. There are also many other personal variables that are considerably more important in life than is strength. Whether or not you can squat or deadlift a certain weight is largely irrelevant. The likelihood of you using this strength in general life out of necessity is very small. Strength training, and powerlifting in particular, is a minority interest; nothing more, nothing less.
It is possible to be both big and strong. Just because someone is training for say 8 weeks to gain abit of size then doesn't mean that they will train like this for ever.
Also training for size doesn't mean to say you are trying to create a false impression of your strength. Just because you want to be big doesn't mean that you want people to think that your strong with it.
Mike, if i was to base an opinion of you from your post, much like you did with Mark, I would say that you are insecure and feel indimated by those who are larger than you and have a need to prove yourself by impressing people with feats of strength. I don't actually believe this however because I don't know you, but perception is a part of life, it will always be there from the stereotypes created over the years from our cultures.
BengDogg
09-11-2004, 19:15
Mike:
This is not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid. It is a matter of fact. In modern Western society, being physically attractive is far more functional than is being physically strong. There are also many other personal variables that are considerably more important in life than is strength. Whether or not you can squat or deadlift a certain weight is largely irrelevant. The likelihood of you using this strength in general life out of necessity is very small. Strength training, and powerlifting in particular, is a minority interest; nothing more, nothing less.
I agree with you to a point about appearence, but i ahve to lift very heavy objects in my job on a daily basis, for example; a bottle of gas weiging over 80kg which has the liquid gas sloshing around in it, a little extra strength does come in handy. As for number you squat and stuff, I deny that i weight lift anyway, people think mountain biking is why i have big (ish) legs and stuff I dont want people to start challenging me or wanting to fight me just to see how tough i am , look at mountain bikers they are usually super skinny, but to the untrained (geddit :) ) eye they buy it. Most people who are strong have the muscle mass to back it up but it is often under 20% bf
I agree with you to a point about appearence, but i ahve to lift very heavy objects in my job on a daily basis, for example; a bottle of gas weiging over 80kg which has the liquid gas sloshing around in it, a little extra strength does come in handy.
Not many people are routinely required to lift heavy weights. Of course strength may help you in your job, but it is largely irrelevant to the many people whose jobs do not involve any physical activity whatsoever. For these people, general health and appearance are of far greater concern and will benefit them to a far greater extent than strength will.
blacklab
09-11-2004, 19:50
... and the battle still rages!
I came back after a couple of days and this thread is still going. Sheesh.
Not many people are routinely required to lift heavy weights. Of course strength may help you in your job, but it is largely irrelevant to the many people whose jobs do not involve any physical activity whatsoever. For these people, general health and appearance are of far greater concern and will benefit them to a far greater extent than strength will.
Say strength does not matter when you have a 20st hairy man sat on your face.
BengDogg
09-11-2004, 20:01
Say strength does not matter when you have a 20st hairy man sat on your face.
Keep your sexual fantasys to yourself! :046:
BengDogg
09-11-2004, 20:04
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
PikeKing
09-11-2004, 20:08
Say strength does not matter when you have a 20st hairy man sat on your face.
LMAO!!
funniest reply ever
mmmmm i like the chocolate hole
Theres a line and you've got speeding right past it at 100 miles per hour. :018:
yeh i know wot u mean mate
i dont see any rules against it :040:
the block
09-11-2004, 22:41
that remark of cheggers does make you wonder where that finger in his avatar has been... :017: :018: :047:
Theres a lot to comment on. I think we're going round in circles. I'm out of this one (again). Agree to disagree and all that.
Delboy I'm surprised at your comment on me being insure. If you percieve me in that way then fair enough. Others dont seem to think I'm small, I train for strength and size is a result of that. Anyway, like I said analysing someone based on what they say is wrong, especially on the internet :023: .
lol @ Cheggers.
:039:
I was merely doing it to prove a point. I made no thorough psychological analysis there because, as you rightly say, it is impossible to do over the internet. However, people's methods of writing and their choice of words etc are a useful tool, but I don't believe what I said about you because I have no knowledge of yourself away from the internet.
The only reason I said you appeared insecure was because you showed some traits of it from reading your posts, and at the end of the day it was my perception so may have no truth to it at all, because don't forget most psychology is subjective. But whether someone is insecure or secure in themselves (if you can define being insecure/secure that is!) makes no difference to me. At the end of the day we post here to have a laugh and learn more about training, not to learn about the ins-and-outs of each others minds!
Hope tis cleared up!
Lets drop it, I have so much more to say on the subject but cant.
BengDogg
12-11-2004, 16:53
I think strenght adds, size and size adds strength but if you train mainly for strength you will gain more and vice versa.
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