Grip training

[666]

I know that grip is very specific i.e. good crushing strength doesn't necessarily confer good pinch-grip strength etc. Does this mean that you can switch these sorts of grip training around and do some form of grip work everyday without overtraining? My grip's shite and I think some gripper, static hold or pinch grip hold should be done as frequently as possible to get it up to scratch and then actually good.

[the block]

i'd have thought the CNS stress would have been around the same, although you may work slightly different bits of your hands and arms.

[Icepick]

hmmm,aint you new to heavy deadlifting,just give it time,it will come

[666]

Well, I wouldn't even call it heavy really... I did a fair bit of deadlifting before my back injury. Tbh, I can m/g my deadlift 1RM with no probs really, it's other weird things that cause me problems, like lat pulldowns and things. Plus just I just want a stronger grip for the sake of having a stronger grip.

So Block, are you saying it's good or bad?

[the block]

depends how long you would plan on doing it. say you did 2/3 weeks with grip work nearly everyday, i think you would cope with that. obviously being sensible about it.

gripper and pinch stuff is easier, static holds are real drainers so i wouldnt abuse them too often. i know that if i did static holds many times a week along with normal heavy training i'd be battered.

give it a go and post your bits and bobs in your journal. we'll see how long you last (muahahahaha)

i wouldnt like to do grip work everyday for the rest of my training life though.

[DMPM]

I recommend getting a loading pin and a Rolling Thunder.

Then you can do Rolling Thunder work as well as vertical pin holds and lever work.

[666]

Been considering a rolling thunder... What's a loading pin?

[webcore]

I have a range of grippers in my desk drawer which I use ocassionally, including Gripmaster Heavy (recommended for pinch grip, no use for much else) and rubber bands for finger extensions, to supplement my main grip work (CoC#2's 3x5, 3 times per week and whey blobs now and again).

Just make sure you don't go OTT with the CoC's as it's said to be counter productive for grip if you use them more than necessary and may lead to negative carryover to your main lifts caused by fatigue alone.

This deadlifting grip talk is well over-rated. Your grip has the potential to increase twofold by introducing some dedicated grip work into your training, assisitng deadlifts to a great extent. It's the same principle as squatting with a weak core. To progress it's advisable to approach the weakness directly, as opposed to continuning lifting and just waiting for the strength / hypertrophy over a much longer period of time.

Theres a massive difference between lifting an oly bar compared to crushing or lifting an object without hooking it.

If I was to choose an object for the purpose of effective grip training, I wouldn't choose anything as thin and manually compatible as an oly bar.

[DMPM]

Been considering a rolling thunder... What's a loading pin?
It's what you put the weights onto. A Rolling Thunder is pretty useless without one.

[PikeKing]

u can also put plates on the loading pin and do atlas stone drills

[DelBoy]

Am now using Thick Bar for Rows, Overhead Presses, SLDLs and Powercleans aswell as D/O Deadlifts and am hoping good results to come.

[the block]

and? you want a medal? ;) dancingban

[DelBoy]

Big forearms would be nice.....

[Icepick]

This deadlifting grip talk is well over-rated. its like squatting with a weak core. To progress it's advisable to approach the weakness directly, no its not,it is very difficult to replicate the deadlift grip without some sort of use of a bar.


Theres a massive difference between lifting an oly bar compared to crushing or lifting an object without hooking it.
Yes of course,its two different styles of grip,so it will be pointless to work on one style to improve another one.

If I was to choose an object for the purpose of effective grip training, I wouldn't choose anything as thin and manually compatible as an oly bar.
hmmm,hello,if you are having problems holding on to a bar,then the best thing you can do is hold on to the bar.

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[webcore]

Ok, 2 options (assuming the bar isn't thick which is the exception, though not entirely varied):

* Persevere with a hindered grip continiung to rely upon the an object which fails to incorporate every muscle of the hand. Progress slowly.

* Supplement your routine with grip work which involves working every muscle in the hand / forearm with postive carryover to the main lifts, progressing more rapidly. In this case "One style" does greatly improve the other one. That's a fact. My comment on grip differences was meant in the way that gripping a bar does not cover the range as varied grip work does. A decent grip work routine can offer tighter bar grip and more.

It's taking the "If your performace is shit in a particular movement, do more of it" rant a little too far. Accessory work has it's place (especially grip training), if it didn't, people wouldn't do it.

Again, if you have a weakness you should address it directly. This goes for everything including strength and skill in sports. If my grip is useless in weighlifting, I'd take time out to fix the problem in every way possible, using a variety of methods.

If I played cricket and I was useless at batting, I'd dedicate time to batting alone (god forbid) until it was perfected or at least greatly improved. You don't just go through the motions and tackle the problem as it comes around again, which begs the question; How often does a person deadlift? Does the routine offer adequate grip intensity, variation and frequency in comparison to a dedicated grip routine (ontop of deadlifts etc) to warrant the desired increase in strength / hypertrophy within a reasonable time frame? You can't be deadlifting each and every day...

[Icepick]

''no its not,it is very difficult to replicate the deadlift grip without some sort of use of a bar.''

Static holds,farmers walk,heavy shrugs,thick bars use is plenty of work for your deadlift grip ,you need to get it out of head that I'm saying you need to deadlift to work the deadlift grip,also I cant close those grippers,tear up phone book and shit but I'm alright in holding onto a bar.