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Scourge
04-12-2005, 20:01
Scourge's Bill Starr 10 Week All-Round Strength/Hypertrophy Routine.

As I expect that many training newbies have trouble finding productive training routines within the vast myriad of disinformation that is today's fitness industry, I thought I'd give you a simple, but proven, routine that should yield good gains, being the generous soul that I am.

This is an uncomplicated 10 week general purpose strength/mass-building routine not-too-subtly adapted from Madcow's Bill Starr 5x5 routine. While the principles behind the way the routine is structured are not that simplistic at all, beginners do not need to know the logic behind it for them to benefit from it*.

If you have any queries on the logic behind the routine or performing it correctly, feel free to post them in this thread.

*While I realise that this post is actually pretty long, performing this routine requires very little prior knowledge of training, except for the proper technique for the exercises therein and an understanding of the terminology used (some of which is explained in the 'Notes' section anyway).


Weeks 1-4: Loading Mesocycle.

Monday
Squat 5x5
Overhead Press 5RM
Bent-Over Row 5RM
Isolation Exercise 3x5
Abs Exercise 3x5

Wednesday
Squat 5x5 (20% less weight than Monday)
Bench Press 5x5
Deadlift 5x5
Pull-Ups 5x5
Abs Exercise 3x5

Friday
Squat 5RM
Overhead Press 5x5
Bent-Over Row 5x5
Isolation Exercise 3x5
Abs Exercise 3x5


Week 5: Deload 1. (Using the same weight for all exercises as last week of the Loading Mesocycle.)

Monday
Squat 3x3
Overhead Press 3x3
Bent-Over Rows 3x3

Wednesday
Bench Press 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Pull-Ups 3x3

Friday
Squat 3x3
Overhead Press 3x3
Bent-Over Rows 3x3


Weeks 6-9: Intense Mesocycle.

Monday
Squat 3x3
Overhead Press 3RM
Bent-Over Rows 3RM
Isolation Exercise 3x5
Abs Exercise 3x5

Wednesday
Bench Press 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Pull-Ups 3x3
Isolation Exercise 3x5
Abs Exercise 3x5

Friday
Squat 3RM
Overhead Press 3x3
Bent-Over Rows 3x3
Isolation Exercise 3x5
Abs Exercise 3x5


Week 10: Deload 2.

Friday
Squat 1RM
Bench 1RM
Deadlift 1RM

Fin.


Notes
Exercises designated as an (X)RM (short for X-reps max) should be performed with progressively heavier sets with the number of reps X. Your final set on this exercise should be performed with with the most amount of weight that you can lift for X reps i.e. your (X)RM. Ideally you should be able to add weight to your (X)RM from one session to the next.

Exercises designated as (Y)x(Y) in the Loading and Intense Mesocycles should be performed with a fixed weight for Y sets of Y reps. If you can perform all of the required reps, add weight to the bar next training session you perform this exercise as (Y)x(Y). If you cannot perform all of the required reps, keep the weight the same for subsequent sessions until you can.

Exercises designated as 3x3 in Week 5 (and only Week 5 - Weeks 6-9 are explained above) will be performed with the same weight used for 5x5 on the same exercises in Week 4 (the last week of the Loading Mesocycle). As such, Week 5 will be less strenuous than previous weeks, allowing you to recover from any fatigue you may have accumulated by that point. Try to eat well and sleep well during Week 5 and Week 10.

Exercises designated as 3x5 are isolation or abdominal exercises, and can be performed with a loading method of your choice.

The 'isolation exercise' slot is given over to one exercise of your choice that targets an area of concern for you. Typical choices might be standing barbell curls, calf raises or JM presses. Shoulder isolation exercises will generally not be appropriate for this routine. Check with the board if you are not certain if a given exercise would be suitable.

I know that the JM press isn't strictly an isolation exercise, but it'll do a similar job.

The 'abs exercise' slot is given over to one exercise of your choice that targets the abdominal muscles. Good choices might be weighted sit-ups, ab pull-downs, planks and plank variants, suitcase deadlifts, dumbell side-bends, Saxon side-bends, landmines or cable woodchops.

If you are not strong enough to peform a sufficient number of pull-ups or do not have any way to progressively weight them (a dipping belt), these can be replaced by cable pulldowns (close, underhand grip in front of the face) or with another lot of bent-over rows.

This routine will not be easy. It might not necessarily be that difficult but, if performed correctly, definitely won't be a walk in the park. It will also not be appropriate for absolute beginners as your technique on a number of major freeweight exercises will need to be good enough to allow you to safely handle moderately-heavy to heavy weights on these exercises.

It would probably be a good idea to take the week after the end of the routine (Week 11, as it were) off from training before returning to the gym with a new routine.

Please do not make too many changes to the routine or, if you must tinker with it significantly, please don't complain if your progress is less than expected. The routine is designed in the way it is for a reason - Significant changes to it may lead to significant changes to the progress you make on it. If you do want to make changes to it, you may wish to consider posting these on the board to get our members' advice on them.


Please read.

The above article was written by Scourge for www.iron-city.net on the 03 December 2005. If you are so misguided as to think that it is good enough for you to want to copy-and-paste it onto another website or forum, please do the decent thing and provide the link to it, or credit me and Iron City for it. Don't be a prick and try to pass it off as your own.

Disclaimer: Please note that the author i.e. Scourge, accepts that any or all of the above may be merely the opinion of Scourge and/or plain wrong and might not necessarily be based on any facts known to man or beast whatsoever. Scourge accepts no liability in general for anything ever, and in particular for any injury, illness, death, discomfort, pain, financial loss, adverse emotions, boredom etc. that may occur either as a result of yourself or others reading and/or implementing a training programme based on any of the information contained or not contained in this article.

The author i.e. Scourge reserves the right to modify this disclaimer without providing advance notice of any modifications to anybody at all.

the block
04-12-2005, 21:00
cool. when i get my shoulder sorted i may give it a go

lingy
04-12-2005, 21:23
nice post :038: but on the isolation excersices you say just one 3x5 can i alter that on a diferent day ie monday bbcurls/ wednesday triceps friday ,etc etc

Narc
04-12-2005, 21:35
yes, of course, he means one iso per session

Scourge
04-12-2005, 21:37
nice post :038: but on the isolation excersices you say just one 3x5 can i alter that on a diferent day ie monday bbcurls/ wednesday triceps friday ,etc etc
Thanks.

Sure, you can change your isolation exercise day-to-day if you wish. Some people may also feel that the routine is pretty hard work already and just drop it altogether (I forgot to add that the isolation exercise is optional).

My concern is that somebody will come along and decide that there just isn't enough direct bicep work or whatever, then promptly add three or four extra exercises onto the end of each training session - Not good.

Scourge
04-12-2005, 21:38
Doh! Too slow.

Scourge
04-12-2005, 21:40
cool. when i get my shoulder sorted i may give it a go
Sweet. Keep a journal if you do.

Narc
04-12-2005, 21:49
Thanks.

Sure, you can change your isolation exercise day-to-day if you wish. Some people may also feel that the routine is pretty hard work already and just drop it altogether (I forgot to add that the isolation exercise is optional).

My concern is that somebody will come along and decide that there just isn't enough direct bicep work or whatever, then promptly add three or four extra exercises onto the end of each training session - Not good.

yeah, i read something recently about the Bill Starr 5x5, about a bunch of coaches using it and seeing ecxellent results, and that the only people who report badly are dufus' who fiddle with it too much thinking they know better until it barely resembles the original routine, and that the people who actually know what they're fiddling with rarely see much they want to change it, i've offten thought about doing it, one of the best pre prescribed routines out there imo

Scourge
04-12-2005, 22:02
yeah, i read something recently about the Bill Starr 5x5, about a bunch of coaches using it and seeing ecxellent results, and that the only people who report badly are dufus' who fiddle with it too much thinking they know better until it barely resembles the original routine, and that the people who actually know what they're fiddling with rarely see much they want to change it, i've offten thought about doing it, one of the best pre prescribed routines out there imo
Yeah. There was some guy on MT a while back who replaced squats with leg extensions, OH press with lat raises, bench with pec flyes and rows with curls and wondered why a coupla people gave him a hard time about it.

uk machine
04-12-2005, 22:05
lol who was that scourge? funnily enough ive been reading over at midwestbarbell where pendlay posts a lot and the routine looks cool, although theres a few different variations.

Narc
04-12-2005, 22:07
I think that's where i was reading about it, Pendlay has his own pretty decent 5x5 too

uk machine
04-12-2005, 22:10
yeh goes on about coaching kids that are 8 years old, **** if i could wish for one thing it would be being coached by him at 8, that would have me at 12 years of intelligent ****ing intense training. i currently have done one months worth in the whole time ive been lifting :022: :029: :023:

Scourge
04-12-2005, 22:18
lol who was that scourge? funnily enough ive been reading over at midwestbarbell where pendlay posts a lot and the routine looks cool, although theres a few different variations.
Dunno who it was. Not a regular IIRC.

Yeah. There are numerous variations and it's not hard to mix it about to your liking if you know what you're doing. This one is pretty close to Starr's basic routine, plus the iso exercise option to keep the BBers happy and prioritising OH press over benching, because everybody should OH press more.

Hallsy
05-12-2005, 13:13
That routine looks pretty good SOG :) Do you think I'd see any benefit if I left what I'm doing at the moment and tried this for 10 weeks? I was just thinking today that I never consider any form of deloading, I just carry on doing what I'm doing.

Scourge
05-12-2005, 16:18
That routine looks pretty good SOG :) Do you think I'd see any benefit if I left what I'm doing at the moment and tried this for 10 weeks? I was just thinking today that I never consider any form of deloading, I just carry on doing what I'm doing.
Can't think it wouldn't benefit you, so long as your form on all the required lifts is AOK. Maybe take a week off before starting it as you'll need to be quite fresh from Week 1 - As I said earlier, it won't be easy.

Hallsy
05-12-2005, 21:47
Well, I suppose I have only just started training properly again (no distractions) after the odd lay off so might as well stay as I am for now.
Might try it after christmas just as a 10 wk cycle.

alexp
26-03-2006, 23:56
This looks a great routine - think i'll start it in the next few weeks. Gonna keep a journal (written, and maybe one on here if I can start getting more regular access to the net) of everything that I do - including what I eat, how much sleep i get and all my weights and sizes and stuff throughout the 10 weeks, could be pretty interesting. One thing I don't understand is the exercises designated as 5RM and 3RM - i don't understand what to do here? Does it mean that if it said 5RM then you would do 5 sets of 5 but you would increase the weight throughout the 5 sets, unlike when it says 5x5 and you do 5 sets of 5 all with the same weight?(i've think i've completely complicated it?) Could someone explain it a bit better for my simple mind please? Cheers...

Scourge
27-03-2006, 00:40
This looks a great routine - think i'll start it in the next few weeks. Gonna keep a journal (written, and maybe one on here if I can start getting more regular access to the net) of everything that I do - including what I eat, how much sleep i get and all my weights and sizes and stuff throughout the 10 weeks, could be pretty interesting. One thing I don't understand is the exercises designated as 5RM and 3RM - i don't understand what to do here? Does it mean that if it said 5RM then you would do 5 sets of 5 but you would increase the weight throughout the 5 sets, unlike when it says 5x5 and you do 5 sets of 5 all with the same weight?(i've think i've completely complicated it?) Could someone explain it a bit better for my simple mind please? Cheers...
For the 5RM/3RM exercises, you're aiming to do a top set of five reps/three reps respectively with as much weight as possible.

I believe the original routine from which I adapted this calls for five sets/three sets as you've described it, but I don't think it probably makes that much difference tbh: The point of those exercises is to use your top weight for five reps/three reps. If after a warm-up it takes you two sets or six sets to hit your top weight, so be it.

Hallsy
11-06-2007, 16:05
Bit of a blast from the past....

been a bit bored with current routine (which is not normal for me but hey...) so been racking my brains to come up with something else - and considered this!

Going to gym tonight :)

One thing, gym I'm at doesn't have pull up bar, although I have one in garage. No cables either.

Rather than more BO rows would it be worthwhile doing a horizontal pullup, like reverse bench?

EDIT: Just to add I did the 1st session of this last night. It was a bit hit or miss getting the weights right but will be OK for next session.

With the 5RM sets is there any guidance for progression sets? I realise a slight warmup is preferable so I persoanlly went with a warmup, then 3 set of 5 working up to the 5RM. Is this about right or should I just warmup, maybe do an intermediate set then hit the 5RM? I realise you said it didn't matter but it must to a certain extent, taking the extermes of a 5RM from cold, and a 5RM after 10 gradual progression sets - they would both be different.

Secondly with the iso's and ab exercises, where you say one exercise, does it need to be the same one for the whole 10 weeks?

JB
12-06-2007, 15:07
I realise i may not be the best person to give advice on this, but i've pretty much been following similar routines since i started lifting sensibly. I usually think of the 5rm day as baing basically a maximal effort day, so be warmed up but not fatigued. As the aim is to add weight to the bar every session I would start of the training cycle with a fairly light 5rm with a little more volume before and then ramp down the volume of the earlier sets as you increase the weight week to week. I should add that when i've trained like this the 1st stage has usually lasted much longer than 4 weeks and until i stop hitting PBs. As for the iso's IMO do whatever the hell you want as long as you get the big lifts in. I usually don't get round to them anyway.

Hallsy
12-06-2007, 15:42
Cheers JB, that sounds about right, as really I wouldn't say I was masiively fatuigued, although weights were conservative.

Once I'm in the swing of things with the 5/3 RM's I think I'll just do a warmup set, one or two intermediate sets then go hell for leather!!

Scourge
15-06-2007, 00:44
Bit of a blast from the past....

been a bit bored with current routine (which is not normal for me but hey...) so been racking my brains to come up with something else - and considered this!

Going to gym tonight :)

One thing, gym I'm at doesn't have pull up bar, although I have one in garage. No cables either.

Rather than more BO rows would it be worthwhile doing a horizontal pullup, like reverse bench?

EDIT: Just to add I did the 1st session of this last night. It was a bit hit or miss getting the weights right but will be OK for next session.

With the 5RM sets is there any guidance for progression sets? I realise a slight warmup is preferable so I persoanlly went with a warmup, then 3 set of 5 working up to the 5RM. Is this about right or should I just warmup, maybe do an intermediate set then hit the 5RM? I realise you said it didn't matter but it must to a certain extent, taking the extermes of a 5RM from cold, and a 5RM after 10 gradual progression sets - they would both be different.

Secondly with the iso's and ab exercises, where you say one exercise, does it need to be the same one for the whole 10 weeks?
Ideally you'd have some kind of vertical pulling in there. Even if your gym doesn't have a chin bar, there'll normally be something for you to do them off - Smith machines work well. Top of the squat rack?

If there really is no way of doing chins, inverted rows, as you've described, wouldn't be a bad choice.

5RM is supposed to be a five-rep max i.e. the most weight you can possibly lift for five reps. Use whatever warm-up protocol that will allow you to use as much weight as possible.

Don't have to keep the extras the same for the whole programme, but you'll want some kind of continuity there.

Hallsy
15-06-2007, 14:12
Cheers bud, there is some sort of dodgy pulley machine in there so I may do lat pulls on that, if there is enough weight. Otherwise I'll have to improvise as you say.

Hulk
18-06-2007, 18:09
Can I just ask a quick question? I have always progressed the quickest when doing 5x5 and managed to keep the poundages going up. However, I have heard so much bad press about this rep range and get stick from mates in the gym so I thought I would ask someone and hopefully they actually know what they are talking about. According to many articles I have read, arnies book and gym users the best rep range foo hypertrophy is between 8-12. I find it hard to progress using this many reps . What do you guys recommend? I also tend to try and hit failure in every set as I think if I don't try to lift it again how do I know I cant. Am i in danger of overtraining?

Cheers guys

Sloth
18-06-2007, 20:03
i'd say do what gives you the best results, **** what your mates say. if you find medium range reps for a compound give you good results id stick with it.
ime ive found this to be true for compounds but for iso's a higher rep range is more useful. i think this is due to the obvious fact that less muscles are recruted for the iso's so stimulation is limited to a single muscle, whereas obv a compound is using more and so more breakdown made.
(sorry if this makes no sense)

Hallsy
20-06-2007, 18:45
I have always been told 1-5 reps for strength, 8-12 for hypertrophy and any more for endurance, but everyone is different.

The reason most BB's/pumpers can't understand low rep patterns is because they are so used to over training and pumping like crazy. Not to mention the fact that they want to put down one of your big lifts with the fact that you do **** all reps so have energy left over!

It's a different way of training, and I mix it up a bit. I used to low rep ranges for DL's, squats then 8 reps for all other compounds.

If you check my journal todays session today was very, very tough, I'd say that 5x5 at a fixed modest weight was harder today than maybe a progressive 4x8 set/rep range.

Each to their own though and I'm happy to try whatever to see if it works :)

Hulk
20-06-2007, 18:51
Cheers guys, So would you say 5x8 or 4x8 would be the better rep range for adding muscle bulk.

Hallsy
20-06-2007, 20:07
Possibly, I mean everyone is different, but a warmup then 4x8 would be fine on compounds, maybe 5x8 on isolation exercises.
Although I wouldn't advise doing that for the above routine, as it is based around 5x5.

TTDKing
08-08-2007, 09:27
Hi guys this is my first post here,

Just decided to give this program a bash as been out of training for a while, just got a few questions, how can you train the legs so much in one week?
Also i've never deadlifted before so can some explain the best way to start for technique.

Cheers guys

ATZ
08-08-2007, 11:29
Think about how big the muscle groups on your legs are compared to the rest of your body? Your average gym goer has no probs working his biceps and chest 3 times a week yet thinks working the legs is bad - completely back to front thinking. Also stimulating larger muscle groups such as the legs more often leads to more growth hormone release and more testosterone flying about - A good thing! Also, this routine requies you adjust the weight your shifting in some of the sessions so your not completely screwing them over.

As for deadliftin, Log on to T-Nation.com and search for a series of articles called "Mastering the deadlift". Here's (http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1582703&cr=) the first one in the series. :023:

Sloth
08-08-2007, 11:38
nice explanation dude, welcome to the board king and good luck with the program.

TTDKing
08-08-2007, 12:00
Cheers guys, i've been away from training properly for far to long with injury, work and general motivation problems. So its time to get strong again!!!